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Do I need this level of depth to get a microcontroller to make a stepper motor do what I want to do (whatever that may be) Dave over at the EEVBlog likes to draw a distinction here. He distinguishes between people who want to learn electronics (build power supplies, radios), that is, analog circuits, from people who want put together Arduino projects. He refers to the latter as more of embedded programming rather tha…

Possibly OT and possibly triggering, but I had to stop watching Dave's videos because he matches my personal definition of giant gatekeeping asshole. I have learned a ton from him over the years, but when you watch something like his video about Flux, it's hard not to feel a little gross. This is subjective, but when you spend a lot of time making sweeping generalizations and then quite literally read the fawning com…

artificial hierarchy

There is an artificial hierarchy here but it’s not the one you’re thinking of. It’s a hierarchy of abstractions. At the lowest level of abstraction you’re dealing with physics, Maxwell’s equations, materials and their properties. Above that you have the lumped matter abstraction (conductors, resistors, capacitors, inductors, diodes, transistors). Above that you have modular circuit components, ICs, digital logic. Above that you have CPUs, instruction sets, assembly language… This abstraction continues all the way up through software engineering.

The reason Dave makes this distinction is not because he wants to gatekeep. It’s because he wants people to learn how to build their own circuits rather than combining modules built by others. This is no different from a programmer telling someone to learn a programming language to build their own software rather than using Microsoft Office etc.

Dave does plenty of embedded programming himself. He uses Arduinos when the project calls for them. He just wants people to understand that there’s a whole lot more to understand when you go to a lower level of abstraction (lumped matter components).

I think it’s also an important distinction to be made because a lot of businesses have sprung up within the Arduino ecosystem and it’s brought a lot of new people into the electronics world. These folks are excited and enthusiastic but they often lack knowledge of electronics fundamentals and so they struggle to troubleshoot when things go wrong. It’s important to help these people find the resources they need to learn electronics so they don’t need to rely on others to troubleshoot their circuits.

Re: Electronics Course (45 episodes, YouTube)

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post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do I need this level of depth to get a microcontroller to make a stepper motor do what I want to do (whatever that may be) Dave over at the EEVBlog likes to draw a distinction here. He distinguishes between people who want to learn electronics (build power supplies, radios), that is, analog circuits, from people who want put together Arduino projects. He refers to the latter as more of embedded programming rather tha…

Possibly OT and possibly triggering, but I had to stop watching Dave's videos because he matches my personal definition of giant gatekeeping asshole. I have learned a ton from him over the years, but when you watch something like his video about Flux, it's hard not to feel a little gross. This is subjective, but when you spend a lot of time making sweeping generalizations and then quite literally read the fawning com…

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Re: Electronics Course (45 episodes, YouTube)

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A well-motivated hobbyist with a physics degree maybe. As someone who studied EE, I wouldn’t recommend most hobbyists sit through all this unless they have a solid background in basic engineering math. He assumes some knowledge of the Laplace transformation for instance. Really, you don’t need to know this stuff to do hobby electronics. You can get pretty far in thinking about circuits at a higher level. Of course, i…

What do you recommended for non-EE major hobbyist?

I think answering that depends on ones goals and current level of understanding. Some others in the other thread did a good job pointing in the right direction. Whatever gets you away from just watching Youtube and actually building basic circuits. Adafruit has some good starting points, or used to. If you can hook up an op-amp IC and get it to amplify a signal and why that works intuitively you will have gotten pretty far. Really, the intuition comes from understanding what frequencies capacitors and inductors help and hinder, and what happens to components in parallel and in series. Build a radio kits used to be pretty awesome for this.

Re: Electronics Course (45 episodes, YouTube)

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No, the one I was looking for was a west African woman in Africa, teaching people to learn to read English from scratch.

It’s so disheartening that you can have this much of a laser focused understanding of what you’re looking for and not be able to find it.

Wonder if they could use Google Takeout [1] to export all their YouTube data, and then try to search through the history data.

[1] https://takeout.google.com/

Re: Electronics Course (45 episodes, YouTube)

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https://invidious.flokinet.to/playlist?list=PL7qUW0KPfsIIOPO... Here's the same course, but on invidious, for those who don't go onto Youtube "proper". Is there a HN policy on this? Seems more "neutral" to post the non-youtube link to me. There are people who don't go on to youtube, whereas I don't know of anyone with a moral issue with invidious? Anyway, course looks cool, I'm bookmarking for after doing a few more…

I always prefer to have plain YouTube links, because then my LibRedirect extension for Firefox redirects me to my self-hosted Invidious instance, or another one of my choice. If someone posts a link to a specific Invidious instance, the extension can't detect it to redirect me to my own.

Re: Electronics Course (45 episodes, YouTube)

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Possibly OT and possibly triggering, but I had to stop watching Dave's videos because he matches my personal definition of giant gatekeeping asshole. I have learned a ton from him over the years, but when you watch something like his video about Flux, it's hard not to feel a little gross. This is subjective, but when you spend a lot of time making sweeping generalizations and then quite literally read the fawning com…

artificial hierarchy There is an artificial hierarchy here but it’s not the one you’re thinking of. It’s a hierarchy of abstractions. At the lowest level of abstraction you’re dealing with physics, Maxwell’s equations, materials and their properties. Above that you have the lumped matter abstraction (conductors, resistors, capacitors, inductors, diodes, transistors). Above that you have modular circuit components, IC…

I respect your reply. What follows isn't arguing against what you said.

I see a parallel between the Arduino/Adafruit folks and the people who go through developer bootcamps. It is extremely ill advised to make sweeping statements about bootcamp grads which might imply a shallow depth of understanding or troubleshooting capacity, because so many people will get very upset about your gatekeeping. That vibe hasn't made its way to the EE world, clearly.

I've had a 35 year and counting career as a self-taught software developer. I've learned a lot about adjacent concepts without needing to become particularly expert in any of them, because I learned early to delegate to others' strengths. For example, I've never learned assembly or been unable to function because I couldn't implement a device driver. I also have very weak math skills in general.

All of which brings me to the actually important question: what knowledge or skills do you need to do what you have set out to do? An honest evaluation of most problems can only result in "not that much, actually" because you are not working in a vacuum. We have YouTube and GPT. We make friends with complimentary skills, and we develop a sense of when to persist vs when to ask for help.

I don't subscribe to the idea that someone who has internalized all of the formulas is somehow more pure, any more than I assign respect to someone who still memorizes all of their friends' phone numbers.

In many/most cases, not knowing which topics we should obtain deep knowledge of is actually a negative. While it's perfectly reasonable to decide that you want to know all about Maxwell's equations, but you should see it for what it is: a hobby, unless you have a damn good reason to prioritize it over something silly like shipping your project.

It's like the DIY keyboard community, I guess: it's cool that folks want to get that nerdy about building their own data input device... but if you stop to build your idea of the perfect keyboard before starting the task assigned to you, you deserve to be given a strike.

TL;DR: 98% of people with a deliverable in mind would be better suited by a Collin's Lab video than a 45 minute lecture on the physics that make capacitors work.

Re: Electronics Course (45 episodes, YouTube)

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post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

artificial hierarchy There is an artificial hierarchy here but it’s not the one you’re thinking of. It’s a hierarchy of abstractions. At the lowest level of abstraction you’re dealing with physics, Maxwell’s equations, materials and their properties. Above that you have the lumped matter abstraction (conductors, resistors, capacitors, inductors, diodes, transistors). Above that you have modular circuit components, IC…

I respect your reply. What follows isn't arguing against what you said. I see a parallel between the Arduino/Adafruit folks and the people who go through developer bootcamps. It is extremely ill advised to make sweeping statements about bootcamp grads which might imply a shallow depth of understanding or troubleshooting capacity, because so many people will get very upset about your gatekeeping. That vibe hasn't made…

One of the biggest challenges with electronics is that the abstractions are leaky. We see this as well sometimes in software. You may be writing a project in C++ and you keep getting segmentation faults and other memory errors, so you need to know something about assembly language and the computer's memory architecture if you want to be most effective at troubleshooting these issues.

At another level of abstraction, say Python programming, you're much less likely to have to deal with this issue because memory is managed for you. You can get a lot done with Python without ever needing to know anything about the lower levels. Python is a much more solid abstraction than C++, which is leaky.

Electronics is even worse than C++. All of the rules and formulas with lumped matter abstractions change when you move into the realm of high frequency signals. A circuit you build to operate at low frequency may fail utterly at high frequency due to transmission line effects. The Arduino/Adafruit communities try to get around these issues by largely operating at low speeds and confining much of the high speed stuff (radios) to built-in modem circuits and antennas.

But even at low speeds, you still have issues with things like impedance, current, etc. Beginners hoping to run an electric motor on the IO pins of their Arduino are going to be confused and frustrated when it doesn't work. Not only that, but experimentation in electronics can result in electric shocks and even fires if users don't know what they're doing. This is one area where software has a big advantage: it's pretty hard to do physical damage to your property (or your health) with a Python script.

Re: Electronics Course (45 episodes, YouTube)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, the one I was looking for was a west African woman in Africa, teaching people to learn to read English from scratch.

It’s so disheartening that you can have this much of a laser focused understanding of what you’re looking for and not be able to find it.

Because the search isn't to help you find what you want anymore, it's to help you find what they want you to watch.

Re: Electronics Course (45 episodes, YouTube)

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An hour-long video on the PN junction... This is going to be good.

It's interesting that he started with that topic. As opposed to voltage, current , RC circuits, etc. He's got quite a few topics, like emitter followers and op amps. But I think he's a bit below the level of what people need in order to create useful PCB level electronics. I think something like this would be so much more useful if it was tied to an existing book on the subject, like for instance "The Art of Electron…

Razavi has authored several well-known textbooks, one of which is on introductory microelectronics, the subject of these videos. Linear circuits are covered in prerequisite courses.
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