I'm sure the studios still be considered the copyright owners, but I don't think there's any ethical reason why they could possibly sue you for releasing something thst they cannot ever release themselves for tax purposes. They binned their shows, so why should the law protect their copyright?
The great cancellation: why megabucks TV shows are vanishing without a trace
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#12This article doesn't really explain the "why". The title is very misleading.
They explain that the benefit to the companies is the tax write off. The part they don’t explain is how little money shows like these generate that they’re worth less than the potential write off. The big semi-open secret in streaming right now is that viewership is a lot lower than people think and much less correlated with show “quality” (where by “quality” here I mean production cost). This is why the whole indust…
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#13How much of this tax reduction is based on convoluted Hollywood accounting? If the tax on the value of the show is higher than the streaming revenues, doesn’t that imply that the valuation is bogus? Can someone explain how the numbers add up here?
The real scandal here is how little viewership streaming shows get and how little revenue they generate off of that viewership. Particularly for how expensive these shows are.
I wrote a couple of comments elsewhere in the thread about some specifics and consequences. But the takeaway is that the last decade+ of super expensive “prestige” shows on streaming has been a huge bubble that isn’t supported by the underlying revenue generated by the shows. In 2022 Netflix spent $16 billion on producing shows [https://variety.com/2023/digital/news/netflix-content-spendi...] to generate shockingly few viewing hours (which is why they will never agree to WGA demands to release viewership numbers in order to pay writers residuals; their stock would go to 0 if those numbers ever became public). The future of streaming is ad-supported cheaply produced reality TV, ie exactly what niche cable looked like in 2008.
Re: The great cancellation: why megabucks TV shows are vanishing without a trace
#14How much of this tax reduction is based on convoluted Hollywood accounting? If the tax on the value of the show is higher than the streaming revenues, doesn’t that imply that the valuation is bogus? Can someone explain how the numbers add up here?
But I suspect that studios play it straight with taxes as the IRS doesn’t mess around, it’s criminal investigations, officers are liable, and there’s whistleblower laws where the snitch gets 15-30% of what the IRS recoups [0].
So I bet the only way we find the true cost of these things is when they write them off and even then we know the true cost of the bundle, not each item. What they probably do is include everything legally allowed.
This is still bad for studios as getting a $210M tax (corporate tax rate is 21%) reduction from a $1B write off is still way worse than breaking even since the write off is basically a $790M loss and break even is a $0 loss.
So the studio doesn’t want to do this, it’s just less bad.
I think it’s an example of optimizing after a mistake and doing this too much is a sign of bad management.
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#15Whatare the implications of these tax write-offs in terms of piracy? If a company decides it'll never air a show again, what claim of ownership do they still have to prevent pirates from spreading the show for them? I'm sure the studios still be considered the copyright owners, but I don't think there's any ethical reason why they could possibly sue you for releasing something thst they cannot ever release themselves…
Just because they value it at $0 doesn’t mean it has no potential future value. It just means when they claim they value they won’t have any costs to deduct. So future profit margins are higher.
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#16This article doesn't really explain the "why". The title is very misleading.
For awhile, every time I opened Netflix it was promoting a new series with a full season.
Part of the reason why I won't bother with "new" streaming services is that I don't want "yet another subscription," but the other reason is that I simply don't have time to watch all that TV.
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#17How much of this tax reduction is based on convoluted Hollywood accounting? If the tax on the value of the show is higher than the streaming revenues, doesn’t that imply that the valuation is bogus? Can someone explain how the numbers add up here?
The write off is based on the cost of creating the show. I think the article is wrong/sloppily phrased in its line about the value of the company. If they remove a show then it will never generate any future revenue so they can write the cost of producing it off as a loss. The real scandal here is how little viewership streaming shows get and how little revenue they generate off of that viewership. Particularly for h…
The path to profitability is reruns of Cheers, low budget quiz shows and (scripted) reality TV.
Re: The great cancellation: why megabucks TV shows are vanishing without a trace
#18How much of this tax reduction is based on convoluted Hollywood accounting? If the tax on the value of the show is higher than the streaming revenues, doesn’t that imply that the valuation is bogus? Can someone explain how the numbers add up here?
The write off is based on the cost of creating the show. I think the article is wrong/sloppily phrased in its line about the value of the company. If they remove a show then it will never generate any future revenue so they can write the cost of producing it off as a loss. The real scandal here is how little viewership streaming shows get and how little revenue they generate off of that viewership. Particularly for h…
I wonder what percentage of streaming hours on Netflix is toddler and preschool shows like CoComelon?
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#19This article doesn't really explain the "why". The title is very misleading.
Seems like the economic logic of streaming has changed, and this article failed to explain how, merely hint at it.
I think the streaming accounting isn’t as directly attributable so it probably means that costs are allocated over long periods because the single show is a very small percentage of the overall library.
So you spend $5B on shows and lump them into your library and some are watched and some aren’t, but they all pay out sort of the same. So you amortize that $5B equally over the whole schedule.
By removing shows you think won’t get you viewers you amortize the whole cost immediately.
But in the olden days revenue was more clearly attributed. So if you payed $5B for 100 shows each and the costs were equal (not really but let’s say) then each show has $50M in costs. You can run them all and when you don’t sell ads then you know they suck and can close those ones down. There’s no risk to run and see because you have revenue for each show.
And with old cable, shows paid out based on plays. So you could just not play those old shows.
But with streaming, just to have them available for streaming, even if no one views them, they make revenue for tax purposes.
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#20It's very difficult to understand how anyone thought this was a reasonable thing to make.