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Re: My Caste

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Post by usr8new »

LambdaComplex wrote: post #185
911e wrote: post #42

This caste problems continue in the US, instead of leaving behind such ridiculous biases it becomes a part of an US company… https://www.newyorker.com/news/q-and-a/googles-caste-bias-pr...

Cisco has also had problems with caste discrimination in the recent past.

The Cisco case was dismissed as false recently. The person was found not guilty of any caste based discrimination. Caste issue in America is mostly made up. Indians who have money to go from India to US don't care about castes in the first place

Re: My Caste

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Post by rhuru »

dotnet00 wrote: post #48
isanjay wrote: post #41

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So, this is a claim they believe is true and would be happy to be corrected You don't claim something on based on beliefs. He already has evidence on IIT. Why talk about North America if he doesn't have data to back up it up ?

Are the Indians in NA somehow fundamentally different? It isn't like we've left the rest of our social/cultural practices and ills behind upon moving to the West. Thus it makes sense that if there's evidence of caste based discrimination at the highest levels of education in India, there is likely such discrimination in Indian communities in the West too.

Yes. They are fundamentally different because they are a super minority and hence any kind of discrimination is unlikely to have any measurable impact.

For example imagine people who have tattoo on right hand discriminating against people who have tattoo on their left hand or people who are members of Libertarian party discriminating against members of green party.

Re: My Caste

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Post by rhuru »

crooked-v wrote: post #40
raincom wrote: post #21

Maybe, it is time to think what discriminations are, what caste-discriminations are: https://www.hipkapi.com/2011/03/24/normative-assumptions-dis...

> I was invited by some Sadhus from Swami Narayan Temple (BAPS) to visit the temple and have a discussion with them. Because they practice very strict Brahmacharya (eight types of avoiding women, each correlated to an organ: it is called Ashtanga Brahmacharya), the Sadhus said that women could not be present during our discussions, while they were welcome to visit the temple. > A few years later, one of my teachers f…

Discriminating in private life and affairs is not just a basic human right but also necessary for the wellbeing of people.

Imagine you are not allowed to pick gender on Tinder. Would that be a good example ?

These are nor discriminations, these are perfectly valid life choices that make our society diverse. The problem is when your boss refuses you promotion or when government decides to have a higher tax rate for you because of your identity.

Re: My Caste

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Post by kotaboys »

I know him personally. His family is pretty affluent, his uncle is/was a MLA from the state of Rajasthan. So by no mean he is just another guy. This guy is so privileged that something happened to his exam admit card then he went to Collector's office and yelled at him (on his own account). Any Indian here would know, what it entails/means. I wonder if got in IIT Bombay on the OBC quota. Is he salty because he did not get faculty position at IIT Bombay. I heard he is/was coming to UT Austin.

Look at the following numbers, and you will realize how discriminated Mr Meel is.

Category : Cutoff Score required for IIT (out of 100)

Common Rank List :90.7788642 (Brahmins, upper castes which Ycombinator hates)

Gen-EWS:75.6229025

OBC-NCL:73.6114227 : Mr Kuldeep Meel (The caste he suggests is discriminated)

SC:51.9776027 : You'll see multiple comments here saying how badly they get treated by the system

ST:37.2348772 --same---

PwD:0.0013527 -- same----

Dang, can you please not delete it. It's a fact, may be unpleasant for few.

Re: My Caste

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Post by lazyninja987 »

wtmt wrote: post #45

The caste system in India is layered like onions. The author says he was born as OBC (Other Backward Classes), but that's not the lowest in the overall scheme. SC (Scheduled Castes) are considered lower in the hierarchy. ST (Scheduled Tribes) are considered even lower (there are variations across states and regions, so please take this with a pinch of salt). While the atrocities and punishments by "upper" caste peopl…

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Re: My Caste

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Post by yathaid »

bilalq wrote: post #322
amriksohata wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Caste exists in christian and muslims demoninations in India too, just google muslim caste system (ashrafs at the top). it exists in pakistan and most of south asia. nothing really to do with hindus as per say.

I've heard people mention this, but as someone born in Karachi who moved to US as a toddler, I can confidently say I've only ever seen Muslim caste systems mentioned on places like Reddit and HN discussions about caste. It's never come up in visits to Pakistan or when hanging out with Pakistani friends in CA, TX, NJ, NY, or WA. That's not to say this interfaith caste constructs don't exist, but I've never heard an in…

This is ground reality in India today.

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/reaching-out-to-pasma...

https://frontline.thehindu.com/books/caste-amp-muslims/artic...

https://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/a-picture-of-islam-th...

Despite its name, the newspaper I have linked to has long been a left and liberal leaning one and is a bullwark against the current right-wing government and temperament spreading through the country.

Re: My Caste

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Post by barbarr »

screye wrote: post #302

As a fellow OBC, I am not sure I like the idea of reclaiming caste. The author wrote his post from an inspiring standpoint, so my comment does not come from a place of criticism. His achievement is worth celebrating on its own grounds. ____ It's been 6 years for me in the US, and no one has asked me my caste. Even in India, the only time someone could have inferred my caste, was when someone indirectly asked my unive…

This is one of the few good replies here, thanks for writing it out.

Re: My Caste

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Post by orzig »

yttribium wrote: post #179
alephnerd wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The issue is OBC (Other Backwards Castes) was invented as a populist measure in 1992. After Independence, Affirmative Action/Reservation was created so Dalits and Nomadic Tribes who were traditionally outcastes in South Asian society could be integrated into society. Yet, in the 1980s-90s, Agrarian and Feudal Caste politicians like Mulayam Singh Yadav (Yadav), Lalu Prasad Yadav (Yadav), Chaudhary Charan Singh (Jatt),…

Identical phenomenon exists in US where groups with well above average incomes are considered officially "disadvantaged groups" for purposes of eg SBA loans.

I’m willing to believe it, but you’re making a claim which should be trivial to back up with sources, so please do (or I’ll have to assume you can’t)
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