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Re: My Caste

#261
How do hookup/dating/wedding apps work in India? What sort of granularity about caste is disclosed? What is expected? What precision of caste classification can be inferred from name/occupation/hobbies/location/appearance?

Has someone built a NN classifier for caste? Could such a thing be built?

Re: My Caste

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By "don't care", I didn't mean "they know but don't care"; I meant "non-Indians are completely oblivious of this". You cannot accuse of someone behaving in a discriminatory way if those very concepts of discrimination don't even exist in their mind. Come on.

You are entirely missing my point. What I'm saying is the concept of caste discrimination doesn't exist in the minds of the vast majority of Westerners. Which would enable the exact scenario you pose: > If you're trying to hint at some "it happens all the time, it's just hidden from public view", it doesn't. How would anyone outside the caste system be aware of it occurring? And why would people benefiting from their…

If you live in Canada, you most likely have known some Indians and the caste system. It’s just we don’t care? It’s not a taboo topic of discussion either.

Obviously a much different topic if the caste system prevails itself within Indian communities itself. Unfortunately I can’t comment much on it, but I’ve heard that’s not extremely uncommon among recent immigrants.

Re: My Caste

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Since this is about Google, where I worked: > The Google spokesperson said that caste discrimination has “no place in our workplace and it’s prohibited in our policies.” I can testify that Ads was very heavily Indian, much more than the general employee percentages would predict. I don't know if it still is. Sridhar Ramaswamy ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sridhar_Ramaswamy ) probably had something to do with that.…

I wonder how that sits with the diversity and inclusion directives that are everywhere now. Maybe they turn a blind eye when it suits them, or use other teams to offset the difference.

From what I've seen from the outside, it looks like US companies focus on what they view as "non-core" departments to reach their overall diversity goals. So, for example, in a software company, the coders might largely be of one or two ethnicities, and then the company's diversity goals are met by hiring diverse candidates in, say, HR, legal, payroll, etc.

Re: My Caste

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> I have several Indian friends I've made during my stay here, and not a single time has the issue of caste has come up to be discussed. I'm guessing it's not discussed at great length and not discussed with non-Indian people at all unless you brimg it up.

If you're trying to hint at some "it happens all the time, it's just hidden from public view", it doesn't. Non-Indians literally don't care, and very (very) few Indians actually do (at least in Canada).

The regional differences (Gujaratis vs Punjabis vs Telegus) are more pronounced than any caste based differences that I have come across.

Re: My Caste

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I was born in India and moved to the United States when I was very young. One of the other Indian-American kids asked me what my caste is after hearing my unfamiliar last name. At the time, I hadn't even heard of caste, and didn't realized what kind of parenting environment creates a 7 year old (who doesn't even live in India or speak the language) to question the caste of another Indian in the first place.

After school, when I asked my mother about my caste, she refused to tell me anything about it. "We left that silly system behind in India, and we're not bringing it here."

Re: My Caste

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The issue is OBC (Other Backwards Castes) was invented as a populist measure in 1992. After Independence, Affirmative Action/Reservation was created so Dalits and Nomadic Tribes who were traditionally outcastes in South Asian society could be integrated into society. Yet, in the 1980s-90s, Agrarian and Feudal Caste politicians like Mulayam Singh Yadav (Yadav), Lalu Prasad Yadav (Yadav), Chaudhary Charan Singh (Jatt),…

Bal Thackeray is no way a Maratha, although he fought for Marathi and Hindu identity. Just shows how complex things are. Also the PM is OBC for what I know off.

Bal Thackery's family are Chandraseniya Kayastha Prabhu. Isn't that Maratha caste as well?

Re: My Caste

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What "sort of problems" do you mean, exactly?

Schhol shootings in the US, Neo-Nazis in East Germany, islamist terrorists. They all have in common of being, over simplifying, frustrated, in secure young men. They are easily manipulated by populists and ideologists, prone to use violence and prone to be sexist, racist etc. I guess that is becaise the way they see themselves, or what they think society expects them to be, is something they do not get. Hence the inc…

So, I think I agree with part of what you're saying. But I can't exactly grasp your logic.

I'd like to understand. Let's use white male young men school shooters in the US.

OP > So in retaliation, they began organizing their own Castes to fight for political power and quotas.

You > the way they see themselves, or what they think society expects them to be, is something they do not get. Hence the incredible amount of frustration

What I'm interpreting your comments as, is that people should just "stay in their lane"/ caste/ station at birth and not cause trouble/ accept their rung of society

Re: My Caste

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Depends on the region too. Part of my family is from a landowning/feudal caste (Chaudhary/Jatt and Pahari) that is traditionally Upper Caste but successfully lobbied to become counted as OBC/Lower Caste in order to avail affirmative action benefits. The Jatts side got reservation thanks to Congress [0] and the Pahari side got reservation thanks to the BJP [1] Edit: Lmfao this professor (Kuldeep Meel) is Jatt from His…

The same thing is happening with my caste Maratha in MH. Although in their defense they are a very large group.

Re: My Caste

#270

How do hookup/dating/wedding apps work in India? What sort of granularity about caste is disclosed? What is expected? What precision of caste classification can be inferred from name/occupation/hobbies/location/appearance? Has someone built a NN classifier for caste? Could such a thing be built?

Someone could claim to build something like that, but it's going to be designed with the biases of the creator.

What is your goal of building something like this?

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