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Re: My Caste

#201
Consider reading [1] (also linked in OP) for a detailed article about a very talented lower caste person who gets hired at IIT Kanpur, only to be met with overt caste-based discrimination and harassment. You'd find it hard to claim caste-based discrimination doesn't exist after reading it. On a perhaps unrelated note, the author is Manindra Agarwal, who you may know as the A in the AKS primality test.

[1]: https://kafila.online/2019/04/10/the-saderla-story-courage-i...

Re: My Caste

#203

Phew, what a post. I am at University of Toronto right now. I have only been here for some months but I have seen enough things to get a sense of the "politics" of the place. Also, I've been in many of the world's top universities (Caltech, Cornell, KAUST, Oxford, Stanford, UNAM, and some others with less pompous names); either studying, visiting, working, w/e. I've been doing this for close to 20 years now. I know a…

> I have several Indian friends I've made during my stay here, and not a single time has the issue of caste has come up to be discussed.

I'm guessing it's not discussed at great length and not discussed with non-Indian people at all unless you brimg it up.

Re: My Caste

#204
post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? How so?

I think originally woke was shorthand for anti-racist (I don’t mind being corrected on this since I am not American). Unfortunately the term did not reach the UK in good enough time to be properly encoded in our Oxford English Dictionary and as a result the usage has gone rampant become diffuse! The meaning now seems to be converging on "I don’t agree with . ". Generally western laws would view caste-based discrimina…

You're right on target there. The term is basically meaningless now, after the reactionary right in the US started using "woke" as a scare word for "anything anyone vaguely liberal does that we can pretend is an extremist conspiracy", after attempts to use "cultural Marxism" fell flat.

Re: My Caste

#206

Phew, what a post. I am at University of Toronto right now. I have only been here for some months but I have seen enough things to get a sense of the "politics" of the place. Also, I've been in many of the world's top universities (Caltech, Cornell, KAUST, Oxford, Stanford, UNAM, and some others with less pompous names); either studying, visiting, working, w/e. I've been doing this for close to 20 years now. I know a…

> I have several Indian friends I've made during my stay here, and not a single time has the issue of caste has come up to be discussed. I'm guessing it's not discussed at great length and not discussed with non-Indian people at all unless you brimg it up.

If you're trying to hint at some "it happens all the time, it's just hidden from public view", it doesn't.

Non-Indians literally don't care, and very (very) few Indians actually do (at least in Canada).

Re: My Caste

#207

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Equality is the prerogative of the government. Why do you want equal share in someone's private property? This is what reservations in the private sector mean. Someone takes all the risk, and works their ass off to establish a business and you come in with demands of equality in what someone else has made.

I want discrmination, of any shape, form and kond and for all reasons, to go away in the private sector as well. Your, and my, personal freedom stop where someone elses begins. And that explicitly includes caste based discrimination, among all other forms.

Affirmative action does not eliminate discrimination, it enforces discrimination up to an arbitrarily defined standard.

Suppose you're applying to a company that's posted 10 openings and has already filled 7 of them, and that you belong to category A, and there's three more candidates who belong to category B. Suppose further that it can be objectively determined that you're a better fit for any of the openings than any of the other candidates, but the company has already filled its category A quota. You will be rejected because of your category, and the less capable candidates will be accepted also because of their category.

Note that it doesn't matter how the categories are defined in my example. Maybe you belong to a privileged (in the social justice sense) class, but it's equally possible that you belong to a disadvantaged class and the inept candidates belong to a privileged class.

Re: My Caste

#208

Phew, what a post. I am at University of Toronto right now. I have only been here for some months but I have seen enough things to get a sense of the "politics" of the place. Also, I've been in many of the world's top universities (Caltech, Cornell, KAUST, Oxford, Stanford, UNAM, and some others with less pompous names); either studying, visiting, working, w/e. I've been doing this for close to 20 years now. I know a…

Based on your comment of "Indian friends" never bringing it up, do you know what caste they were born into? I mean maybe they never bring it up because it wasn't a problem for their station by birth?

Re: My Caste

#209
How do foreigners / non-Hindus fit into the caste system?

Are there caste equivalent attitudes towards Arabs, Euros, East Asians and so on? Or from a different angle, Muslims, Christians, irreligious, etc.

Or does the framework not apply to those outside of the Hindu community?

Re: My Caste

#210
post #208

Phew, what a post. I am at University of Toronto right now. I have only been here for some months but I have seen enough things to get a sense of the "politics" of the place. Also, I've been in many of the world's top universities (Caltech, Cornell, KAUST, Oxford, Stanford, UNAM, and some others with less pompous names); either studying, visiting, working, w/e. I've been doing this for close to 20 years now. I know a…

Based on your comment of "Indian friends" never bringing it up, do you know what caste they were born into? I mean maybe they never bring it up because it wasn't a problem for their station by birth?

You didn't get the point of my comment.

"Caste" is meaningless here.

Edit: @cududa's comment was something like "care to share what caste you were born into?" to which I replied what you see here and then he altered his comment substantially. Sneaky.

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