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Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by just_a_psyop »

sixstringtheory wrote: post #134
colordrops wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manhattan Project, and many NSA projects until Snowden. You also don't know about the projects that didn't leak. You are basically saying that security clearance is worthless. It is indeed possible and there is a lot of precedent for large projects with long life spans that didn't leak. The "government" isn't a monolithic entity. It contains individuals and groups of a range of competencies.

Basically everything protected by any level of security clearance is high school drama antics compared to the distilled existentialism of "aliens exist." That would throw basically all of human history and psychology as we know it right out the window. I think your last statement actually works against your point. The fact that the government has individuals increases the probability of leaks. Only a true monolith co…

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by jdiff »

uptie wrote: post #145
botanical wrote: post #16

The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

You're poisoning the well for what reason?

The well was "poisoned" by Avi. He makes similarly unfounded leaps in this instance, as he has in very many instances in the past. There's no foul play here, just the reputation he has earned for himself.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by wredue »

waihtis wrote: post #62
istjohn wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Linus Pauling is another example. The only person to ever receive two unshared Nobel prizes, considered one of the top 20 scientists of all time, and he was a huge proponent of megavitamin pseudoscience.

"Nobel prize winner and superior neurosurgeon criticized as quacks by two internet users" Perhaps the reason they could stretch their domain expertise so far was precisely because they kept their mind open. "Imagination is more important than knowledge. Knowledge is limited. Imagination encircles the world." - Einstein

“Open mindedness” does not mean to “treat all ideas as being on equal grounds”

All it means is to listen. After you listen, if you judge that it’s clearly just some quack trying to Mark Seargant some people (this is clearly what’s happening), then that doesn’t make you “not open minded”.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by mkl »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #141
mkl wrote: post #121

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The sensible non-woo-woo reason is the speeds of the objects and the paths they're following; they don't match things in orbit around the sun, so aren't from the solar system. The Oort cloud reaches out more than half the distance to Alpha Centauri [1], so yes, it's distant for being in orbit around the sun, and there may be all kinds of strange materials out there and elsewhere in the solar system, but those things…

But if it's more than halfway to Alpha Centauri, then 1) it shouldn't be gravitationally bound to the sun at all, at least not in the direction of Alpha Centauri, and 2) Alpha Centauri may have its own Oort cloud, which means that this stuff would be continuous from near Sol to near Alpha Centauri. How strong is the data that the Oort cloud ends at 3 light years? Is it possible that it is just part of the interstella…

More than half that distance, but maybe not in that direction? I don't know, that's just what Wikipedia said. Alpha Centauri A and B are each roughly the mass of our sun, so together they should have more pull. Yes, this stuff is continuous (but gets very sparse), and there must be some region where it's temporarily balanced between the stars. It's all quite variable as stars move relative to each other, and the stuff can be taken for a ride on a new star.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by sproketboy »

botanical wrote: post #16

The first author is Avi Loeb, who thinks this: > In 2018, he suggested that alien space craft may be in the Solar System, using ʻOumuamua as an example. In 2023, he claimed to have recovered material from an interstellar meteor that could be evidence of an alien starship, claims some experts criticized as hasty and sensational. > On August 24, 2023, The New York Times published an article about Loeb and his search fo…

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Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by nyokodo »

uptie wrote: post #146
tptacek wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Some things to keep in mind about these UFO hearings: 1. The reports are all second- and third- hand. To my knowledge, no DoD employee has testified to anybody in Congress that they personally witnessed extraterrestrial technology or "biologics". 2. The exception here is a "Jonathan Grey", who hasn't testified before Congress, or, for that matter, been identified; he's one of David Grusch's sources, under a pseudonym…

There are interesting stories about a device allowing the user - the Vatican - to peer back through time. Called the Chronovisor. Curious times.

> a device allowing the user - the Vatican - to peer back through time

There should be a Godwin’s law like principle where anytime a conspiracy theory mentions the Vatican the conversation ends. The sheer number of paranoid/delusional/motivated conspiracy theories involving the Vatican makes my eyes roll. There are a few well documented conspiracies involving the Vatican, but they weren’t kept secret for very long because the place is so full of people with wildly different linguistic, cultural, and political influences that there’s not enough cohesion to ensure secrecy in very much.

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by swader999 »

EdwardDiego wrote: post #105
colordrops wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Manhattan Project, and many NSA projects until Snowden. You also don't know about the projects that didn't leak. You are basically saying that security clearance is worthless. It is indeed possible and there is a lot of precedent for large projects with long life spans that didn't leak. The "government" isn't a monolithic entity. It contains individuals and groups of a range of competencies.

> Manhattan Project https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Klaus_Fuchs Won't point out all the double agents for the KGB that infested western spy agencies, (and vice versa) it's more of the same, really, and there's too many names to type. And those are only the ones we know of... But yep, the NSA is a good counterexample, however also a poor one as they primarily operate in the signals/digital space, where passive monitorin…

How did building 7 fall?

Re: Discovery of spherules of likely extrasolar composition in the Pacific Ocean [pdf]

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Post by ftxbro »

pyinstallwoes wrote: post #80
ftxbro wrote: post #26

Oh it's Avi Loeb, head of the astronomy department at Harvard. Here's a youtube about what his deal is, by an astronomer who studied astronomy through postdoc level and then left for industry and doing some youtubes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aY985qzn7oI

Yea let’s delegate all responsibility to an expert who can think for us instead of forming our own opinion from observation.

you're right i'm going to go into the pacific ocean and look at those spherules myself and then go visit another star and see for myself that it's like the ones from outside our solar system
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