I wonder which competitor lobbied for this and will now be doing the same thing.
Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe
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Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe
#202Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, they do. On my iPhone, I've: -changed the 'default browser' -'uninstalled' Safari Yet, whenever I want to search for a highlighted word, it opens Safari. This is such an absurd situation where I am browsing a site and want to do a search for something I just read and, instead of just opening a new tab or replacing the active tab with a web search, it opens a different browser app I do not want to use. This is jus…
That's not the behaviour I'm seeing, might be a bug on your phone's end.
Or on yours?
Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe
#203As an American, I'm more annoyed that our government isn't working to protect consumers than I am at Microsoft. Microsoft is acting predictably from a business perspective. This is just a repeat of the Internet Explorer debacle decades ago.
This hits the nail on the head. The issue is that the system is shitty - the entities within the system practically have to act shitty, otherwise the other one that does goes ahead and takes the profit. Doing the right thing is often not just orthogonal to business, but is actually hurting it directly. So not only is there no incentive to do the right thing, there's direct incentive to do the opposite.
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#204Earlier quoted context omitted.
WebKit is probably the only thing holding the web open at this point. Imagine if this last bastion of non-Chromium went away, and Googles stranglehold on the web was finally total.
The web isn't made open by forcing people to run specific client software. It's a bit like arguing that Explorer was the only thing keeping Netscape in line. With Apple shipping private attestation in their browsers and dragging their feet on open standards, it's hard to consider them a friend of the weak.
I'm not sure a comparison between Netscape & Google works
Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe
#205Earlier quoted context omitted.
too slow for native apps . Read that again to yourself, slowly.
A concept of thin clients is of course completely unthinkable in this context.
Thin clients with 2007-era javascript interpreters as the only code execution framework (vs local MACH-O binaries) does seem to be a bit of a weird choice if "slow" was the problem and you intended to have thin clients.
Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe
#206Earlier quoted context omitted.
Apple doesn’t disrespect set user preferences in the same way that Microsoft does. This sort of oversimplified drive-by whataboutism isn’t great for conversation.
Oh, they do. On my iPhone, I've: -changed the 'default browser' -'uninstalled' Safari Yet, whenever I want to search for a highlighted word, it opens Safari. This is such an absurd situation where I am browsing a site and want to do a search for something I just read and, instead of just opening a new tab or replacing the active tab with a web search, it opens a different browser app I do not want to use. This is jus…
And yet the experience of Safari on iOS is overall pretty good. I think I would not hate the Edge experience quite so much if it did not shove MSN content in my face, display a garish bing search page, and aghressively promote their browser. Also it does not help that I have 25 years of experience avoiding MS browsers for various other reasons. I’m not saying it’s great that Apple does this, but I do think Microsoft could make fewer technically minded people (and legislators) complain about it if they were less aggressive with their tactics.
Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe
#207Every time I visit my parents, I find they've reverted to using Edge and don't know why. Despite my best efforts, they don't seem to have the will or technical ability to resist M$ manipulation. It's frustrating.
I installed Linux for my relatives and they never have this problem (or any other problem!).
Can I please ask how technical they are, and what distro are you using? And that what are they using the OS for? I'm looking into this passively for years now, and I'm really interested in actual people's experiences.
Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe
#208> In the European Economic Area (EEA), Windows system components use the default browser to open links.
That shows such complete and utter contempt for the wishes of their users. The user has actively selected a browser as the one they want to use by default, but windows only uses it in the EEA because they were forced to.
As it will be used by EEA system components, there's presumably no technical/compatibility issues that would stop the rest of the world using it to.
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> Probably several millions, yes. Considering the EU has 450 inhabitants, that*s increasing my tax bill by cents. Well worth the money to me. But this never ends. Every week there's a new article here about how the EU is forcing electronics makers implement their preferred charger ports, or displaying cookie notices to EU visitors, or making phone batteries replaceable. It's endless crap that adds drag to businesses…
>has almost no significance to the average person's life. I very much disagree that prescribing a common charging port for phones has had no significance to the avg. person's life. I am old enough to remember my drawer full of chargers for various phone companies - some even created new plugs for newer generations of phones. > we should consider if those pennies would be better in the pockets of workers That's not ho…
> I very much disagree that prescribing a common charging port for phones has had no significance to the avg. person's life. I am old enough to remember my drawer full of chargers for various phone companies - some even created new plugs for newer generations of phones.
The market ultimately fixed this though (mostly anyway). Personally I like Apple's charger ports, but I'll soon no longer have this choice as a consumer because regulators think they know what's best for me.
> That's not how it works, those pennies would end up in the pockets of anonymous wealth funds and the family offices of the filthy rich while workers had to buy phone chargers with all their new phones.
We're getting into an economic debate now. I think generally it's good to assume that the more a business makes, the more people it will be able to employ and the more those employees will make.
I think the problem you're touching on here is that in recent years the bottom line of businesses don't correlate well with the income if its workers. I think there are better ways to solve this problem so that if Apple makes more money on chargers their workers would share in the profits. Regulating phone chargers and browser preferences may not be the best solution here.
Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe
#210Earlier quoted context omitted.
Oh, they do. On my iPhone, I've: -changed the 'default browser' -'uninstalled' Safari Yet, whenever I want to search for a highlighted word, it opens Safari. This is such an absurd situation where I am browsing a site and want to do a search for something I just read and, instead of just opening a new tab or replacing the active tab with a web search, it opens a different browser app I do not want to use. This is jus…
And yet the experience of Safari on iOS is overall pretty good. I think I would not hate the Edge experience quite so much if it did not shove MSN content in my face, display a garish bing search page, and aghressively promote their browser. Also it does not help that I have 25 years of experience avoiding MS browsers for various other reasons. I’m not saying it’s great that Apple does this, but I do think Microsoft…
So you're saying, MS' tactics of forcing Edge would actually be perfectly fine if just the browser was nicer?