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Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Apple doesn’t disrespect set user preferences in the same way that Microsoft does. This sort of oversimplified drive-by whataboutism isn’t great for conversation.

Oh yes they do. Have you ever tried to assign the .mp4 extension to open with something other than QuickTime? It just doesn't work, and it hasn't worked for a looooong time.

Both VLC and INIA work fine for opening .mp4 files from Finder.

When you change the file association on OSX, be sure to also click the “Apply for all .mp4 files” button. Common mistake.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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They respect it on Mac and don't let you have a non WebKit browser on iOS

The hard and fast rule is: you're not permitted to have a source code interpreter. That's the "rules of engagement", same way you can't run Flash or Linux binaries; the same way you can't touch windows kernel space without a code-signing certificate from a eye-gouging authority. Exceptions to apples rule are rarely given, even for educational purposes; such as pythonista. When taken though that lens; if we hadn't tur…

> When taken though that lens

No thanks, I'll take properly managed freedom within my OS.

> if we hadn't turned everything into a fucking web-app

Could you elaborate?

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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> if we hadn't turned everything into a fucking web-app It's rich to hear this used as a defense of any corporation. Everything is a web app now because nobody got their act together to ship a true "write once, ship anywhere" platform. Microsoft smugly profited off this in the short term with Windows, and Apple used it as an excuse to double-down on their proprietary SDKs. It's obvious why everything is a webapp; wha…

Situation is not better on the desktop, it's just ironically not as annoying because of the insane dominance of Windows.

It's not better anywhere. That's the problem, everything is a game of compromise and when you try to fix things for yourself a big company gives you the stink-eye. The web is the last place left where developers feel they have freedom, which should make us all feel very sad considering they run a whole-ass computer that they effectively ignore because of arbitrary restrictions.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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Wonder how much this regulation cost to draft, pass, and implement? Several million dollars? Any EU tax payers care to justify this insanity? I mean does any normal person even care about this? Eg, not people on HN with Macbook Pros – your average Windows user. At the end of the day Windows does loads of stuff I don't like. That's why I don't use Windows anymore. Like with most things the EU regulates this just isn't…

>Several million dollars? Any EU tax payers care to justify this insanity? Probably several millions, yes. Considering the EU has 450 inhabitants, that*s increasing my tax bill by cents. Well worth the money to me. Probably, MS will try to backtrack and violate regulations at some point so it will pay for itself too. I'll never get the US masochism where interference by regulators to defend the end-user is somehow se…

> Probably several millions, yes. Considering the EU has 450 inhabitants, that*s increasing my tax bill by cents. Well worth the money to me.

But this never ends. Every week there's a new article here about how the EU is forcing electronics makers implement their preferred charger ports, or displaying cookie notices to EU visitors, or making phone batteries replaceable. It's endless crap that adds drag to businesses trying to operate in EU, costs tax payers hundreds of millions and has almost no significance to the average person's life.

I'm not anti-regulation at all. I just think it needs to be limited to places where there's a clear need to regulate. Honestly sometimes it seems like the EU is just looking for the next pointless thing to regulate so they can continue to justify their jobs.

Please take this as a separate point on taxation more generally, but I tend to find the most pro-tax people I know are those with the highest incomes. Those in favour of people's income being redistributed to regulators in this way I find are often the same people who argue in favour of spending "a little more" for free ranged eggs, and organic fruits, etc. I'm not suggesting you don't do this already, but we should consider if those pennies would be better in the pockets of workers rather than taken by government regulators so you don't have the displeasure of using Edge when you occasionally need to use Windows instead of your Mac.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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When someone texts me an address, the only option is “Open in Maps” which is for Apple Maps, when I’d clearly prefer Google Maps. When I click on an address in FB Messenger, I get the “open in google maps or Apple Maps” prompt, but choosing Google Maps just takes me to the Google Maps App Store page, even though I have the app installed and updated. If there is a solution to this problem (where my attempts failed for…

Ok, I get that. That's simply Apple not giving the option to set the preference in the first place. But I would argue that's a different thing than giving a user the option to set a default app and then ignoring it or reseting it automatically. When I change my browser or mail app on macOS or iOS it's stays like that. > When I click on an address in FB Messenger, I get the “open in google maps or Apple Maps” prompt,…

DoorDash opens google maps by default even though I prefer Apple Maps.

This is almost certainly a bug in Messenger.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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You can’t install non-WebKit browsers on iOS or iPadOS.

WebKit is probably the only thing holding the web open at this point. Imagine if this last bastion of non-Chromium went away, and Googles stranglehold on the web was finally total.

Opening up iOS to other browser engines doesn't mean that suddenly Safari stops working. If anything it would force Safari to become competitive with Chrome.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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When will Apple admit?

Apple doesn’t disrespect set user preferences in the same way that Microsoft does. This sort of oversimplified drive-by whataboutism isn’t great for conversation.

Oh, they do. On my iPhone, I've: -changed the 'default browser' -'uninstalled' Safari

Yet, whenever I want to search for a highlighted word, it opens Safari. This is such an absurd situation where I am browsing a site and want to do a search for something I just read and, instead of just opening a new tab or replacing the active tab with a web search, it opens a different browser app I do not want to use.

This is just not the way any reasonable user would expect a system app to behave once all browser selection settings are configured to use a different browser.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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I mean... this is a hugely ironic comment given the topic is discussing respect for the user's desired browser. Something Apple does considerably worse than Microsoft, intentionally and purposefully - entirely for control and profit, mostly to maintain their app store taxes.

Is there a place I missed where macOS does not respect the user's default browser setting? (I'm using work-mandated Chrome as default on work laptop, never had an instance of Safari opening) (can't comment on iOS since I use Safari there, but then TFA is about Windows 11 i.e desktop-side)

I've had Safari open itself a couple of times when clicking useless Apple links (I think in settings with more info?). Also, if i click the play button on my keyboard without anything recent to play, it will open the piece of shit that is Apple Music that I have never used nor opened by myself. If I open a document or spreadsheet in the default installed apps, saving them will save them in the proprietary shitty Apple formats, instead of the one it came in (thus creating a second document instead of updating the original). In a similar vein, multiple things any other OS and Desktop Environment has, such as different scroll direction between mouse and touchpad, custom keybindings, basic window management features, Display Port daisy chaining over USB C (non-thunderbolt) macOS doesn't just because the gods of Apple have decided you don't need to have them, because fuck you.

I can go on, but macOS is not an OS that respects users or user choice.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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When will Apple admit?

Where is Apple 'intentionally abusing their users by disrespecting their preferences'?

Safari is not my default browser. I can search for a highlighted word only on Safary, not on my browser of choice.

Re: Windows 11 system components use the default browser to open links in Europe

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As an American, I'm more annoyed that our government isn't working to protect consumers than I am at Microsoft. Microsoft is acting predictably from a business perspective. This is just a repeat of the Internet Explorer debacle decades ago.

> Microsoft is acting predictably from a business perspective

A business can be predictable without being shitty to the core. Microsoft has been a shitty scofflaw company since the day it was founded. Apple and Google are pretty shitty, but they weren't in their early days. Microsoft has always been a criminal racket.

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