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ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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Re: ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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What I'd like to figure out is how there are still so many Nazis despite readily-available facts that Naziism is racist delusions? And how are countries like Germany still doing kinda okay despite making it illegal to do Nazi stuff? Isn't it a slippery slope directly from banning Naziism direct to North Korean-style authoritarianism?

I recall reading the other day about Germany making deadnaming a crime..

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Re: ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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You host death threats and leaked PII, and the forum owner explicitly encourages his followers to harass specific people he has a personal grudge against. He names entire sections of his forums after his victims and encourages people to post about his victims. You're lying. He's not running a neutral operation and neither are you. The forum doxes employees of their hosting providers. Even Russian hosters terminated k…

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Re: ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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So censorship is okay as long as it's politically aligned with the powers that be? I'm not a nazi, but that seems dangerous...

Suppressing people whose goal is to suppress is neither dangerous, nor hypocritical. It’s not “because they’re not politically aligned with me”. It is that they desire the genociding and enslavement of entire groups of people. You painting me being against that as “just a disagreement” is bordering on sympathizing, if not just outright sympathizing with weasel words.

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Re: ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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If you want to argue that internet infrastructure providers should be blocking access to areas of the internet due to bad consequences and "being able to sleep at night", then there many more obvious and larger targets. The amount of attention KiwiFarms gets is ridiculously outsized for what it is: a fairly small forum with a bunch of mean-spirited people telling mean-spirited "jokes". It's a very odd target for all…

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Re: ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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Meanwhile in the rest of the world, we don’t even have free speech. If only America could export their constitution like they do their weapons

> in the rest of the world, we don’t even have free speech. It exists to varying degrees in various places. It's not absolute in the US, as much as people like to pretend it is - incitement to violence, the old "yelling fire in a crowded theatre" canard, criminal conspiracy, defamation etc etc. There is a line drawn, it's a fuzzy one that people pretend does not exist, but it's there just as it is in other nations. F…

The "shouting fire in a crowded theater" metaphor was coined by Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr in the Supreme Court case Schenck v. United States, in which Holmes and the majority of justices sent a man to prison for distributing flyers protesting the draft in World War I. Anyone today who references the metaphor without sarcasm reveals themselves to be ignorant of the history of the First Amendment.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shouting_fire_in_a_crowded_the...

Re: ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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The site is literally about stalking people and documenting their personal lives for the sake of mockery. The users are cartoonish villains, and I'm not sure how you'd get any other impression after spending a few minutes there.

> The site is literally about stalking people and documenting their personal lives for the sake of mockery. You're half right, though I'd disagree with literally stalking — at the very least, there's variety and nuance. There's such a large variety of people discussed on the forum that I don't think you can make a blanket statement like that. Is watching every video or stream from a content creator and posting in a f…

You are making false statements about kiwifarms and denying the existence of illegal conduct that happened on the forum. Linking to it from HN will get my account banned though.

Re: ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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Serious legal question...What is the difference between an online venue and telephones? Is it simply that implementation of censoring is practicable? Could the telephone companies start "moderating" all phone communications to prevent unsavory communication?

Phone companies already ban spam customers that make thousands of phone calls

That's according to volume of calls, not content, so I would assume it's covered by different legal theory.

Re: ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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Edit: you know what, debating this here isn't worth the effort. Sad to see the state of this place.

>Anti doxing laws should've shut that place down long ago. Reposting publically available information should never be illegal.

And tormenting mentally vulnerable people. You forgot to mention that.

Re: ISPs should not police online speech no matter how awful it is

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Power does not corrupt, it's just that these people were always bad people and power gives them the tools to do some bad things.

I read an interesting article the other day. It was about the Freedom of Information Act. We now take this for granted, but getting it passed was a huge ordeal. It dramatically strengthened the accountability of government and gave citizens one of their strongest tools available. It was, unsurprisingly, vehemently opposed by both major parties and nearly every form of the US political establishment. It would eventual…

> For a man to be surrounded by such possibilities, yet remain true to his own values - he's going to need to be rich enough that people can't afford to bribe him, or some once in a millennium Aurelius like man of true character.

Not really. The easiest way to be rich enough that you don't need to take bribes to betray your core values is to take a bunch of bribes over issues you don't really care about.

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