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‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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No it’s not. Many of the people complaining about people pooping on the street happens in the area between the Caltrain station and the convention center, not market. It’s not like we didn’t walk to market often enough for lunch. I’ve seen burned out neighborhoods in Detroit, places that look like war zones. SF just has a large number of homeless in comparison, most of whom get there via the greyhound bus station.

>Many of the people complaining about people pooping on the street happens in the area between the Caltrain station and the convention center, not market. Your definition of "many" differs from that of the rest of us. I lived in that exact area for years. As I said, there is no comparison whatsoever between there and the problem parts of Market Street in terms of homeless (whether defecating or not) or other things,…

They don’t have to give them bus tickets, tickets are cheap enough on their own, or open tickets are given easy enough. If you have ever ridden greyhound for a long distance journey, you’ll notice they pick up a bunch at each prison, and these people get off at SF, LA, Portland, or Seattle. No surprise, good weather, you won’t die if you live outside.

Self reporting surveys are useless as data. You can ask a guy doing heroin if he has ever done drugs and he’ll say no. It’s like, sure, what else are they going to say?

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Flagship Whole Foods on market just shut down because of safety reasons. https://abc7.com/amp/whole-foods-san-francisco-store-closing...

They opened a Whole Foods in a location that has been problematic for at least 50 years and then complain about all the crime in the area. Whatever…

This is the truth. Mid market has always been sketchy. Nobody lives or hangs out in downtown SF. Downtown is for the “bridge and tunnel” crowd. Like why would you ever put it here and not in one of the neighborhoods (ex Sunset, Richmond, Glen Park, Soma).

That being said the 5th street area losing Nordstrom is a big blow. Things there have certainly gotten worse recently as it has started more and more resemble Market street on the other side of Seventh.

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This thing that I have no personal experience with is completely like this other thing I have no personal experience with and is unlike this third thing I do have personal experience with because someone I don't know but has financial motivations to lie to me has said so.

Ignorance becomes you.

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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> the latest retailer to capitulate to rising crime and lower foot traffic. Nordstrom also bailed on the entirety of the Canadian market. Was that also due to crime in SF? It's difficult to communicate and explain the enormous secular and systemic rippling shifts in economic conditions that have followed the pandemic and the shift to work from home, particularly and extraordinarily pronounced in SF for various reason…

It’s typical of people who don’t live in SF to completely downplay the situation there as “propaganda” because it puts their favorite tribe under scrutiny. Stores can be shut down in one place for a specific reason while another place for a completely different reason. Nordstrom is located in probably the most expensive real estate in San Francisco, while the conditions just outside the stores are deteriorating. If t…

Every time I see an article like this, I look for SF-native comments.

One of my clients is administratively based in SF, but is never there. They moved to LA awhile back, and they directly cite crime, homelessness, general urban decay, and the “ridiculousness of tech bros” [0] as the deciding factor in their physical relocation.

[0] a paraphrased quote.

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Why would any company operate a store in San Francisco when there are no deterrents to shoplifting and the criminals aren't even prosecuted? Additionally, this is not isolated to San Francisco as Oakland and Los Angeles are just as bad if not worse. California reaps what it sows.

Asks someone who doesn't live in SF and accepts their news uncritically from cable outlets (and their web sites) with a vested interest in driving outrage driven online engagement. EDIT: People who are up voting this comment: NO! It's a snarky comment in opposition to the prevailing wisdom. It's intended to be downvoted. 2ND EDIT: thank you for downvoting. I can now rest easy knowing I'm a misunderstood genius amongs…

What a strange reply. You are clearly oblivious to the problems in San Francisco and Oakland. I suggest you go to YouTube to see videos of people, that live in San Francisco, pointing out all of the closed stores and businesses.

Re: ‘San Francisco changed dramatically’ – Nordstrom is bailing on a flagship store

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Why would any company operate a store in San Francisco when there are no deterrents to shoplifting and the criminals aren't even prosecuted? Additionally, this is not isolated to San Francisco as Oakland and Los Angeles are just as bad if not worse. California reaps what it sows.

Same as anywhere: write off theft and make bank off the rich people. The idea that SF is somehow unique is asinine. If i were to guess they want the public to foot the bill for cops to just shoot shoplifters.

Asinine is thinking what's happening in San Francisco is the same everywhere. I suggest you visit YouTube and view the video's documenting all of the closed stores and businesses.
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