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Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

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Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

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Unfortunately in the UK a bank can (and do) freeze your account with no reason for up to 2 years without any recourse or access to funds. With API access you risk your money being frozen due to automatic fraud detection. The government have given up policing of finance to banks and they take the least risky options

These "challenger" banks are a gimmick. Friend of mine recently tried to set up an account for his new business and all "challengers" refused a business account, they were slow to respond and disinterested in helping. Eventually he set up with a high street bank, but the whole thing took over a month, which is ridiculous.

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Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

#62

Why are these API banks always in the UK? I've been waiting to do my banking using curl for years and no one has made it available in the US.

Hi. My company, Keeta [0], is making this available in many countries, including the US.

[0] https://keeta.com/

Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

#63

Why are these API banks always in the UK? I've been waiting to do my banking using curl for years and no one has made it available in the US.

After the financial crash of 2008 and the subsequent succession of banking scandals, in which the taxpayer bailed out multiple prominent banks, the UK's government at the time introduced a series of measures to promote smaller banks. For individual personal accounts, Monzo and Starling are probably the most well-known of these so-called 'challenger banks'[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_bank

Further more, banks that were bailed out signed a deal to actively help those smaller banks by transitioning clients to them. I know that because my bank offered me a few times to the point of nagging to switch my business accounts from them to one of the smaller ones. They offered to pay me a sum of a few thousand pounds to do that. I declined at the time due to me liking my bank and appreciating one app for all my business and personal accounts. When I pushed why are they willing to pay me large sums to leave them, the told me the above.

Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

#64

Why are these API banks always in the UK? I've been waiting to do my banking using curl for years and no one has made it available in the US.

The UK is friendly to money-laundering, presenting the more respectable faces of an international network of questionable banks and financial institutions. API banking will allow a faster cycle of wash, rinse, repeat, an innovation in shady.

Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

#65

I absolutely hate when an articles starts out with: > IN A STARTUP, YOU SHOULD BE USING THE MOST POWERFUL LANGUAGE YOU CAN, AND THAT IS CLOJURE. says you. one opinion. in a startup you should use the language that your team can build and launch your MVP the fastest so you can get your first customers or funding. Hell, this could be a low code or no-code platform(probably not in fintech, just saying with startups in g…

That catchline makes a lot more sense when you consider that JUXT is the most prominent company specialising in Clojure aside from Nubank itself, and have their logo at the foot of pretty much any conference remotely touching on Clojure topics.

Clojure has a fairly insular community that overlaps with other lisps more than it does something more popular such as Python or PHP, so the cliché (admittedly, one with some truth in it) that Clojure is the most powerful language might be surprising to someone who doesn't use it. We Clojure developers are used to it though, and stating our presumed superiority is almost a greeting at this stage!

Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

#66
It's sort of difficult for me to envision what possibilities would be available to me with this tool.

What user benefits are unlocked with seamless API access to a bank? Is it "just" something like Mint, but implemented in a more technically legit way?

Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

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post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

After the financial crash of 2008 and the subsequent succession of banking scandals, in which the taxpayer bailed out multiple prominent banks, the UK's government at the time introduced a series of measures to promote smaller banks. For individual personal accounts, Monzo and Starling are probably the most well-known of these so-called 'challenger banks'[1]. [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_bank

Further more, banks that were bailed out signed a deal to actively help those smaller banks by transitioning clients to them. I know that because my bank offered me a few times to the point of nagging to switch my business accounts from them to one of the smaller ones. They offered to pay me a sum of a few thousand pounds to do that. I declined at the time due to me liking my bank and appreciating one app for all my…

I learnt about this situation, as it happens, from the founder of Griffin, so was particularly interested in this blog post. It seems like the initial excitement of developing a banking system in Clojure might have transitioned to more bread-and-butter aspects of banking now, but immutable data is an ideal match for their mandatory audit trails.

I have to admit that I wouldn't mind being paid a large sum to switch to Griffin, but then again, my current provider is one of the more responsible ones which didn't have to be bailed out in the crisis :)

Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

#68

It's sort of difficult for me to envision what possibilities would be available to me with this tool. What user benefits are unlocked with seamless API access to a bank? Is it "just" something like Mint, but implemented in a more technically legit way?

If you have access to an API to process BACS transfers, you might be able to avoid having to pay percentage VISA or MasterCard fees. For any non-trivial sums of money, Griffin's fixed-rate pricing is rather competitive. The only real downside of transfers at the moment is needing the human in the loop, whereas card payments have already had fully automated platforms such as PayPal, Stripe and Opayo for many years.

Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

#69
post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was referring to the inability of the government to freeze your funds. But there are ways to prevent surveillance using zkproofs where you can break the onchain connection for private transactions.

Putting your eth wallet keys on a “do not transact with” list would be pretty similar. Having to engage in “money laundering” such as those privacy measures you bring up being a reason the government may put an address on the block list would make it quite difficult to get around too. That is assuming Ethereum sees that kind of mass adoption to the point governments start to regulate its usage.

Is there actually a "block list" of this kind? It seems like it couldn't possibly work, e.g. there is a huge foreign entity that does zillions of honest transactions but isn't in a jurisdiction that subjects it to a given block list and it gets a transfer from some wallet that is. Either you now block anyone who transacts with them in turn and by Six Degrees of Kevin Bacon therefore the entire world, or transfers from "blocked" wallets go in there and come out non-blocked.

Re: Griffin – A fully-regulated, API-driven bank, with Clojure

#70
post #64

Why are these API banks always in the UK? I've been waiting to do my banking using curl for years and no one has made it available in the US.

The UK is friendly to money-laundering, presenting the more respectable faces of an international network of questionable banks and financial institutions. API banking will allow a faster cycle of wash, rinse, repeat, an innovation in shady.

We shouldn't avoid making finance easier and more efficient simply because it might make criminals more effective by the same ratio!
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