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Amazon CEO reportedly told remote employees: It’s probably not going to work out
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I disagree. Software dev is saturated at FAANG salaries, but dial your salary expectations back and there are tons of dev shops still hiring.
Better find a job in a different industry where you can spend time with your family and keep your sanity then. Wage depression in tech makes it an unsustainable career choice.
huh?
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#323Friend of mine works for amazon and is worried about their team, because they have people from all over the country on the team, so if half the people quit instead of going into the LOCAL office, it'll catastrophic for the whole team.
This smacks of just dumping 50% of applicant resumes in the trash and declaring "we don't hire unlucky people". Sucks for your team and others who will likely need to disband or get merged into other teams.
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#324Amazon employees could mutiny the CEO in less than a month if they acted in unison, no unionization necessary.
Don't worry, the CEO isn't doing this without an entire barrage of anti-union (or unison-like activity) forces up his sleeve.
You don't threaten your workforce unless you're confident you can mitigate any retaliatory or expected response.
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> basically these mandates seem likely to be driven by stress at the top of the management, not based upon actual data. If you are asking for data that means you aren’t in charge sadly. Data is great and all (and I'm not defending this particular decision), but at leadership levels you have to make judgment calls all the time even in the face of data that may say otherwise.
What you're describing is generally how bad decisions are made.
Yep! And great decisions. That’s the rub.
It’s a total fallacy to think that following the data is automatically better than alternatives. Data is often incomplete, always messy, and can be manipulated to paint lots of conflicting views.
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Indeed. It’s a power struggle and tech workers might as well fire back if being threatened with dismissal. Wind is at their backs. Otherwise the deal will always change and the screws turned tighter, forever the boiled frog. https://prospect.org/labor/2023-08-28-bidens-nlrb-brings-wor... https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/news-story/board-issues-d...
I love the idea. I wonder how the mgmt will react short and long term. My guess is there will be even more aggressive attempt to develop engineering center outside the US. (Vs outsourcing to ibm or offshore consulting.) This was already happening.
they've been offshoring to india, the philippines, or elsewhere since the 90s.
there is a reason they kept coming back to the US, and it wasn't just remote stuff.
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I mean, I'd love to go back to cubicles at this point. You watch something like Office Space today and it looks like a wonderful degree of privacy compared to the bullpens we're all sitting in today.
The bullpens that are full of distracting off-topic conversation that makes it hard to concentrate, but apparently is some type of secret sauce of what makes for a productive office environment compared to being able to focus in the peace and quiet of our homes or work environment of our choice.
You can just put noise canceling headphones on and completely turn off the distractions when you need periods of focus.
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The fear of an collapse in commercial real estate is driving these decisions. What 4 hours of your life each day compared to the well being of the real estate moguls ? I am staying at my job (100% wfh )and foregoing other opportunities in the job market as an extra hour of playtime with my kid is worth that much to me. The minute my employer changes their mind, I will be out hunting similar WFH job
That $1T giants care more about a $10b real estate portfolio than 2% productivity of their workforce is the biggest QAnon level conspiracy that HN supports which makes no sense.
Even places on the cutting edge of tech, like OpenAI, have no real estate portfolio and require full time in person. Don't even start that it's because they're worried about their $2m house becoming $1m... Or you fundamentally don't understand how much the productivity of these businesses are actually worth.
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I am incredibly in favour of unions in all industries, but this one I have serious doubts it will ever happen. I'm gonna be un-PC and reach for a metaphor involving slavery - not because I am comparing tech workers, of which I am one, to slaves, but because I think it's the best real-world example of how oppression is distributed by hubristic figureheads of feudalistic systems. If you ever saw Spike Lee's "Malcolm X"…
I think a lot of this hinges on tech workers thinking they're not "the proles" while management sure as hell thinks they are (or should be, or "will be soon") and makes moves in that direction.
It does - and tech workers definitely think they're not "the proles." They have no idea that management sees them the same as the janitor. They think they're above that.
Hubris.
Now maybe they'll figure out they've been the janitors all along. They thought they were changing the world. All they were doing is making a boatload of money for somebody else. Tale as old as time.
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#330> In July, leaked messages seen by Insider suggested that Amazon would force a “voluntary resignation” on employees [...] Is Amazon trying to avoid firing people to screw them out of unemployment benefits? No way a forced resignation is not the same as firing.
Nobody wants to say they got fired from Amazon. If the writing is on the wall, a silent majority will jump ship.
nah. Amazon's brutal reputation, both in the white collar as well as blue collar worlds, is well known.
and RTO is a discussion topic everywhere now. getting the axe from a known bad-actor for changing their RTO rules wouldn't be a discussion topic.