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Don't use Whatsapp. Work on a replacement on Veilid. https://veilid.com/
Nobody ever uses WhatsApp for the actual app. People use WhatsApp only because it's a walled garden that doesn't federate with any other servers so it's impossible to contact anyone through it without joining yourself.
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Nobody ever uses WhatsApp for the actual app. People use WhatsApp only because it's a walled garden that doesn't federate with any other servers so it's impossible to contact anyone through it without joining yourself.
And hopefully the DSA will change that.
They don't need to prove that they NEED it, just that they have a legitimate interest in collecting it which outweighs your right to privacy and your objection to it.
Just because Signal does not collect it does not mean that WhatsApp don't have a legitimate interest in collecting it. In particular, a for-profit company has a fairly compelling argument that 'business intelligence and analytics' is a strong legitimate interest, especially if, as their privacy policy suggests, they only process personal data to produce summary statistics.
You're better off just finding out what data they collect, and then trying to work out what you object to specifically.
If you can demonstrate by questioning that they are obstructing what information is used for, specifically, then that will fall foul of EU intention for objecting to use of information. Run it by https://mastodon.social/@neil@mastodon.neilzone.co.uk
I have to say, that privacy policy is pretty comprehensive, and the questions they are asking seem fair. They don't need to prove that they NEED it, just that they have a legitimate interest in collecting it which outweighs your right to privacy and your objection to it. Just because Signal does not collect it does not mean that WhatsApp don't have a legitimate interest in collecting it. In particular, a for-profit c…
If profit were sufficient justification, the regulation would be toothless.
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I'm so tired of this answer. You have phones, right? You know, you dial ten or so digits and then you flap your mouthholes at the grill and pretend you're human? Nah, let's just use the platform owned by the war criminal because everyone is there with our tech-ignorant relatives as our excuse. I hope you all meet a Rohingya one day.
Hey buddy take a xanax or something, this is hackernews not your DefCon forum.
We do have to practice tolerance of certain things, but genocide is not one of em. I'm sorry it makes you uncomfortable to know that you're using the same platform that was used by state-supported mass murderers and the executives knew about it and took the money, but allowing others to tend to their own discomfort is the deepest of compliments.
> My question: what should I answer to that e-mail in order to force WhatsApp to collect as few metadata as possible coming from my activity? Simple answer – you aren't going to be able to. Do you think they are going to release a new version of the app just for you? Their current policy has undoubtedly been approved by legal teams in the EU and across the world and unless you can find better lawyers than theirs or s…
They would probably do this server-side, something like (if the metadata comes from/is related to the user with the phone number $FOO, flush it, don't store it)
I switched to Telegram 2 years ago, haven't installed WhatsApp ever since and all my contacts got comfortable with Telegram that I don't miss out on anything important anymore.
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Sure, I just can't talk to my friends and family there :-).
I'm so tired of this answer. You have phones, right? You know, you dial ten or so digits and then you flap your mouthholes at the grill and pretend you're human? Nah, let's just use the platform owned by the war criminal because everyone is there with our tech-ignorant relatives as our excuse. I hope you all meet a Rohingya one day.
There are just some people that still keep WhatsApp, meaning I need it.
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And hopefully the DSA will change that.
I don't think anything will ever change that. The problem isn't WhatsApp but the general problem of "each person is only reachable via certain contact methods" which can't ever be solved by anything.