Corporations will do whatever they want to until we have unions in this country. Mass layoffs, termination with no reason, dictating how they want the workforce to be exploited. If this generation cannot see that, I hope younger folks or our kids will make this country a better place to live and work.
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#112Read: Amazon CEO lays off its remote staff without severance
Lots of folks saying severance is not required. There are laws around mass layoffs in the US, requiring notice or severance.
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#113Corporations will do whatever they want to until we have unions in this country. Mass layoffs, termination with no reason, dictating how they want the workforce to be exploited. If this generation cannot see that, I hope younger folks or our kids will make this country a better place to live and work.
I think the data is in on this and most companies have regretted implementing RTO so if it wasn’t Amazon I’d be shocked with the decision.
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#114Corporations will do whatever they want to until we have unions in this country. Mass layoffs, termination with no reason, dictating how they want the workforce to be exploited. If this generation cannot see that, I hope younger folks or our kids will make this country a better place to live and work.
Asking salaried employees to spend three days in the office isn’t exploitative, and it’s certainly not equivalent to mass layoffs or termination without cause.
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#115Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nobody owes you severance, unless you have a contract that says so. It might be offered in return for something they want you to do, like not badmouthing them on social media or suing for wrongful termination. Constructive dismissal is a more relevant topic here.
Does constructive dismissal apply if there was an expectation to work in a traditional office setting when you commenced? I can imagine it would apply if it’s completely impractical to do so (e.g. during a pandemic), or if they keep changing the workplace location unreasonably, but I don’t think that’s the case here.
I am not sure on all of the details as it seems most of the reporting on this is based on rumors leaked from Blind, but from what I understand, there is both RTO and ReturnToTeam at Amazon. RTT means you need to be in the same hub as the rest of your team[1].
So people may be within range of an Amazon office, but being asked to re-locate to another hub entirely if they joined or transferred to an org or team without a presence nearby.
I think for those who were in person prior to the pandemic there is little recourse, but as I understand it, there are also people were hired as fully remote during the pandemic who are being asked to relocate[2]. I believe exceptions are not allowed unless you are L6 level or above.
[1]https://www.pymnts.com/news/payment-methods/2023/rising-use-... [2]https://www.reddit.com/r/ExperiencedDevs/comments/15ttywo/am...
Re: Amazon CEO reportedly told remote employees: It’s probably not going to work out
#116Read: Amazon CEO lays off its remote staff without severance
Lots of folks saying severance is not required. There are laws around mass layoffs in the US, requiring notice or severance.
Even under the premise that ending a temporary Covid policy is like a layoff, they've given quite a bit of notice. The source article says RTO for 3 days a week has been required since May.
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#117Read: Amazon CEO lays off its remote staff without severance
It is sort of the opposite. The people with remote contracts aren't affected by this. It is the people who have contracts that list a work location but who have been working remotely anyway because of workplace flexibility who are affected. Yes, it is a crappy situation and workplace flexibility should be way way way more common but it isn't laying off remote staff.
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#118I heard many times Amazon is a pretty bad place to work at. I wonder what percentage of people will decide to leave because of this. As someone who has been 100% remote for 6 years I can say with confidence, there are people that work best remote, and there are these that work best in the office. It is also a function of your seniority level (I'd much prefer to be on site as a trainee/junior). But forcing a one size fits all solution is the worst solution there is.
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#119Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you just don't quit eventually there is still a dismissal + severance right? What if I just keep working from home?
Nobody owes you severance, unless you have a contract that says so. It might be offered in return for something they want you to do, like not badmouthing them on social media or suing for wrongful termination. Constructive dismissal is a more relevant topic here.
I think the WARN ACT would most likely apply if they terminate too many workers at once at one expected workplace, whether or not they think they have cause.
It's interesting that the WARN ACT is not well written for WFH developments, but I don't know that that matters given that Amazon is considering people to have mandatory locations.
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#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
Lots of folks saying severance is not required. There are laws around mass layoffs in the US, requiring notice or severance.
Even under the premise that ending a temporary Covid policy is like a layoff, they've given quite a bit of notice. The source article says RTO for 3 days a week has been required since May.
To continue the conversation: notice would be specifically saying, "you are officially laid off", not, "if you don't do this thing, we will lay you off".