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Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates

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Post by greyface- »

meragrin_ wrote: post #48
greyface- wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No "affirmative, express consent allowing the requested CPNI usage, disclosure, or access" was obtained by the carrier after "the customer is provided appropriate notification of the carrier's request consistent with the requirements set forth in this subpart", so opt-in approval is not present. I don't see a way to parse this that equates notification to express consent.

You use more than one services from Google. You have to have a Google account before you sign up with Fi. Google is allowed to use opt-out. § 64.2005 Use of customer proprietary network information without customer approval. (1) If a telecommunications carrier provides different categories of service, and a customer subscribes to more than one category of service offered by the carrier, the carrier is permitted to sh…

(1) I use a dedicated Google account for Fi, which does not subscribe to other services.

(2) Notwithstanding (1), this is not what the regulation contemplates a "category of service" to be. It is contemplating categories of telephony services, as indicated by "(i.e., local, interexchange, and CMRS)"

Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates

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Post by bragr »

greyface- wrote: post #49
bragr wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of 64.2005 excludes the opt-out consent? I read the whole thing. Please quote exactly.

§ 64.2007 (b): Except for use and disclosure of CPNI that is permitted without customer approval under § 64.2005, or that is described in this paragraph, or as otherwise provided in section 222 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, a telecommunications carrier may only use, disclose, or permit access to its customer's individually identifiable CPNI subject to opt-in approval. § 64.2005 (a): Any telecommunica…

You need to read further to § 64.2005(2) which covers other categories of services:

>(2) If a telecommunications carrier provides different categories of service, but a customer does not subscribe to more than one offering by the carrier, the carrier is not permitted to share CPNI with its affiliates, except as provided in § 64.2007(b).

And 64.2007(b) as we've already covered says that carriers can use opt-in or opt-out

Anyone with legal knowledge in this area care to chime in and break the impass?

Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates

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Post by greyface- »

bragr wrote: post #52
greyface- wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

§ 64.2007 (b): Except for use and disclosure of CPNI that is permitted without customer approval under § 64.2005, or that is described in this paragraph, or as otherwise provided in section 222 of the Communications Act of 1934, as amended, a telecommunications carrier may only use, disclose, or permit access to its customer's individually identifiable CPNI subject to opt-in approval. § 64.2005 (a): Any telecommunica…

You need to read further to § 64.2005(2) which covers other categories of services: >(2) If a telecommunications carrier provides different categories of service, but a customer does not subscribe to more than one offering by the carrier, the carrier is not permitted to share CPNI with its affiliates, except as provided in § 64.2007(b). And 64.2007(b) as we've already covered says that carriers can use opt-in or opt-…

Interesting argument. This relies on the circular backreference to § 64.2007(b) from § 64.2005(a)(2), and wouldn't seem to apply for the § 64.2005(a)(1) case. Google's messaging uses "opt in", which seems to be at odds with an intent to rely on an opt-out characterization.

I'd also welcome review from a lawyer with experience here.

Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates

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Post by rasengan0 »

noiobeforebed wrote: post #42

Link to Google Fi settings where you can opt out: https://fi.google.com/account?pli=1#settings/privacy

Thank you for the link!

Surprising how the e-mail message differs from the setting language:

Allow CPNI sharing (toggle on/off)

Let Google Fi Wireless use and share your Customer Proprietary Network Information with Alphabet affiliates, including Google LLC, to offer you additional products, personalized offers, and services.

E-mail reads like CPNI is essential for service:

Google Fi uses your CPNI to:

Provide your Fi service and related features Provide Internet access and voicemail Provide protection from fraudulent, abusive, or unlawful use Bill you for your Fi service Provide customer support and troubleshooting when you need it

Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates

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Post by stoorafa »

rasengan0 wrote: post #54
noiobeforebed wrote: post #42

Link to Google Fi settings where you can opt out: https://fi.google.com/account?pli=1#settings/privacy

Thank you for the link! Surprising how the e-mail message differs from the setting language: Allow CPNI sharing (toggle on/off) Let Google Fi Wireless use and share your Customer Proprietary Network Information with Alphabet affiliates, including Google LLC, to offer you additional products, personalized offers, and services. E-mail reads like CPNI is essential for service: Google Fi uses your CPNI to: Provide your F…

Yeah I can’t tell if opting out would compromise service. Will I lose those features (internet access especially) if I opt out?

I’m assuming “no” but appreciate some consensus here.

Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates

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Post by phh »

verdverm wrote: post #10
greyface- wrote: post #8

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a dedicated Google account for Fi, and it took me about 10 minutes to get past the identity verification challenge it threw at me when I tried to log in (for the first time in months) to opt out. I'm opted out now but it was a lot more than one click.

well, if you aren't using it, then it would be expected that you probably have more steps to login in after some time away

It's a carrier, it connects you to the internet. Why isn't "I haven't connected to my account in months" the expected state?

Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates

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Post by NoZebra120vClip »

phh wrote: post #56
verdverm wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

well, if you aren't using it, then it would be expected that you probably have more steps to login in after some time away

It's a carrier, it connects you to the internet. Why isn't "I haven't connected to my account in months" the expected state?

I am curious why people are using dedicated accounts for this? Are they afraid of bannination and losing mobile access? Is this a security measure?

Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates

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Post by _9za9 »

NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #57
phh wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a carrier, it connects you to the internet. Why isn't "I haven't connected to my account in months" the expected state?

I am curious why people are using dedicated accounts for this? Are they afraid of bannination and losing mobile access? Is this a security measure?

I use a dedicated account for Fi because when Fi first came out I signed up with my main account they removed my access to Google Voice which I use heavily. They have since allowed both Fi and Voice on the same account but I am not bothering with switching my Fi account to my main at this point.

Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates

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Post by logosmonkey »

anonydsfsfs wrote: post #6
verdverm wrote: post #4

Note, they also provide a one click link in the email to opt out, super easy Still enjoying my sub $30 bills and bloatware free device

It's not one-click, or at least it wasn't for me. I clicked the link in the sentence "If you prefer to opt out of letting Fi use and share your CPNI with Alphabet and Google services, you can do so by replying here", and it took me to the Google Fi homepage. I had to then click on Settings, "Privacy & Security", and finally on "Allow CPNI Sharing". Four clicks total.

Huh, I did it yesterday and I clicked the 'here' link in the email and it took me to a page that said I was now opted out. I didn't have to do anything additional.
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