Someone needs to tell Google what "Opt-in" and "Opt-out" means.
No, if you automatically enroll me into sharing my data with 3rd-parties, that is NOT opt-in. That's completely disingenuous.
This should really be illegal.
Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
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Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
#12The submitted support article doesn't really provide any details about the change. This is the email they sent users today: -- Notice about your CPNI settings Google Fi Wireless takes your privacy seriously. The updated Google Fi Privacy Notice provides information about how we collect and use personal information. This includes your Customer Proprietary Network Information (CPNI). CPNI includes the destination, tech…
> Starting today, we will opt you into the sharing with and use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates to receive this information. Your opt in will go into effect 30 days from the date you receive this email. What a weird, disingenuous use of the term "opt in".
iirc, it's cpni compliant.
Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
#13Someone needs to tell Google what "Opt-in" and "Opt-out" means. No, if you automatically enroll me into sharing my data with 3rd-parties, that is NOT opt-in. That's completely disingenuous. This should really be illegal.
It is illegal. Google is attempting to bend definitions and skirt the law.
https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title47-vol3/xm...
Title 47 - Telecommunication. CHAPTER I - FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED). SUBCHAPTER B - COMMON CARRIER SERVICES (CONTINUED). PART 64 - MISCELLANEOUS RULES RELATING TO COMMON CARRIERS.
§ 64.2003 Definitions
(k) Opt-in approval. The term “opt-in approval” refers to a method for obtaining customer consent to use, disclose, or permit access to the customer's CPNI. This approval method requires that the carrier obtain from the customer affirmative, express consent allowing the requested CPNI usage, disclosure, or access after the customer is provided appropriate notification of the carrier's request consistent with the requirements set forth in this subpart.
(l) Opt-out approval. The term “opt-out approval” refers to a method for obtaining customer consent to use, disclose, or permit access to the customer's CPNI. Under this approval method, a customer is deemed to have consented to the use, disclosure, or access to the customer's CPNI if the customer has failed to object thereto within the waiting period described in § 64.2008(d)(1) after the customer is provided appropriate notification of the carrier's request for consent consistent with the rules in this subpart.
§ 64.2007 Approval required for use of customer proprietary network information.
(b) Use of opt-out and opt-in approval processes. A telecommunications carrier may, subject to opt-out approval or opt-in approval, use its customer's individually identifiable CPNI for the purpose of marketing communications-related services to that customer. [...] a telecommunications carrier may only use, disclose, or permit access to its customer's individually identifiable CPNI subject to opt-in approval.
Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
#14Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Starting today, we will opt you into the sharing with and use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates to receive this information. Your opt in will go into effect 30 days from the date you receive this email. What a weird, disingenuous use of the term "opt in".
iirc, it's cpni compliant.
It's not. Federal regulations require "affirmative, express consent" for CPNI release approval to count as "opt-in". https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title47-vol3/xm...
Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
#15Note, they also provide a one click link in the email to opt out, super easy Still enjoying my sub $30 bills and bloatware free device
I also had a terrible experience with the link. Not only that, it's still me having to remove myself from an automated opt in! This makes zero sense!
Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
#16Someone needs to tell Google what "Opt-in" and "Opt-out" means. No, if you automatically enroll me into sharing my data with 3rd-parties, that is NOT opt-in. That's completely disingenuous. This should really be illegal.
It is illegal. Google is attempting to bend definitions and skirt the law. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title47-vol3/xm... Title 47 - Telecommunication. CHAPTER I - FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED). SUBCHAPTER B - COMMON CARRIER SERVICES (CONTINUED). PART 64 - MISCELLANEOUS RULES RELATING TO COMMON CARRIERS. § 64.2003 Definitions (k) Opt-in approval. The term “opt-in approval” refers to a…
No it is not. They clearly provide precise steps to grant or deny access.
(3) The notification must advise the customer of the precise steps the customer must take in order to grant or deny access to CPNI, and must clearly state that a denial of approval will not affect the provision of any services to which the customer subscribes. However, carriers may provide a brief statement, in clear and neutral language, describing consequences directly resulting from the lack of access to CPNI.
Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
iirc, it's cpni compliant.
It's not. Federal regulations require "affirmative, express consent" for CPNI release approval to count as "opt-in". https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title47-vol3/xm...
well, i guess this email constitutes "affirmative, express consent" unless user clicks on opt-out. at least this is conclusion of google legal department.
Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is illegal. Google is attempting to bend definitions and skirt the law. https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title47-vol3/xm... Title 47 - Telecommunication. CHAPTER I - FEDERAL COMMUNICATIONS COMMISSION (CONTINUED). SUBCHAPTER B - COMMON CARRIER SERVICES (CONTINUED). PART 64 - MISCELLANEOUS RULES RELATING TO COMMON CARRIERS. § 64.2003 Definitions (k) Opt-in approval. The term “opt-in approval” refers to a…
No it is not. They clearly provide precise steps to grant or deny access. (3) The notification must advise the customer of the precise steps the customer must take in order to grant or deny access to CPNI, and must clearly state that a denial of approval will not affect the provision of any services to which the customer subscribes. However, carriers may provide a brief statement, in clear and neutral language, descr…
You just quoted a random, unrelated part of the regulation. Nobody is claiming that the notice is inadequate because it lacks a description of precise steps. The notice is inadequate because it alleges that Google will use opt-out approval for purposes that are only allowed with explicit opt-in approval.
Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
#19Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not. Federal regulations require "affirmative, express consent" for CPNI release approval to count as "opt-in". https://www.govinfo.gov/content/pkg/CFR-2018-title47-vol3/xm...
well, i guess this email constitutes "affirmative, express consent" unless user clicks on opt-out. at least this is conclusion of google legal department.
Well it's not. Google hates that.
Re: Fi now opts you into the use of your CPNI by Alphabet affiliates
#20Note, they also provide a one click link in the email to opt out, super easy Still enjoying my sub $30 bills and bloatware free device
one click on that "here" link and I was opted out.