Usual dumb management BAU. Worker in the cubicle is the limit of their imagination.
You guys get a whole cubicle?
Amazon CEO reportedly told remote employees: It’s probably not going to work out
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#32You think Amazon legals aren't all over this? It would be silly to assume the NLRB has a lay down misere here. I would be thinking they were in from the start. I would love this to wind up as a driver for Unionisation but in this context I can't believe no legal input has been made to the CEOs office about consequences for his words, if truly as reported.
What consequences? Elon Musk demonstrated quite clearly there are none and that software engineers are just workers. There is no bargaining power. If people dare speak against the new status quo the controlled media proceeds with threats of ai replacement. This is the new norm.
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#33He's going to get a very sudden lesson on adverse selection.
These big companies have optimized for hiring fresh graduates, throwing tons of them at problems that probably really only need ten skilled people to sort out.
There's a fresh batch of meat coming in about 8 months. Nothing worries these places (see Microsoft ten years ago) until the word on the street makes it down to college juniors. Like a cargo ship, or the Titanic, by the time you realize you're in trouble it's probably too late to do anything about it. You committed to this course ages ago and your vector is locked in.
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#34> In July, leaked messages seen by Insider suggested that Amazon would force a “voluntary resignation” on employees [...] Is Amazon trying to avoid firing people to screw them out of unemployment benefits? No way a forced resignation is not the same as firing.
Nobody wants to say they got fired from Amazon. If the writing is on the wall, a silent majority will jump ship.
And go where in this market? Software development is saturated.
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#35CEO: “Come to work.” Employee: “No.” CEO: “This is going to end badly.” This is somehow controversial???
That is a gross oversimplification.
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#36Earlier quoted context omitted.
Nobody wants to say they got fired from Amazon. If the writing is on the wall, a silent majority will jump ship.
Of all the major tech companies, telling someone I was fired from Amazon would be the least embarrassing/most understandable company to say I was fired from. Especially if the story was "I lived 125 miles away from the Amazon office where my team was and they implemented a return-to-office mandate."
Getting fired from Meta might be a badge of courage at this point...
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#37> In July, leaked messages seen by Insider suggested that Amazon would force a “voluntary resignation” on employees [...] Is Amazon trying to avoid firing people to screw them out of unemployment benefits? No way a forced resignation is not the same as firing.
Nobody wants to say they got fired from Amazon. If the writing is on the wall, a silent majority will jump ship.
Given how Amazon treats people and is well known for grinding people into the ground, is there really a big stigma from getting fired from Amazon?
Heck, the whole hire to fire thing gives a person excellent cover beyond that provided by return to the office.
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#38I don't know the origins of the "disagree and commit" philosophy, but Jassy's use seems like a self-serving perversion of what is an attempt at dealing with decision deadlock. ... that is, disagree-and-commit transactionally seems like it ought to be between peers. Disagree-and-commit when applied between superiors and reports could be rewritten as just "shut up and follow orders."
Disagree and commit (more specifically have a backbone; disagree and commit) is one of the fourteen Amazon leadership principles which is why he’s probably using that specific language
Ref. https://www.amazon.jobs/content/en/our-workplace/leadership-...
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#39What they aren't telling you is even worse:
If you're remote and choose to accept their relocation ultimatum, you have a very limited time to execute on it. I've heard 90 to 180 days.
Relocation assistance is provided, but you're moving to an expensive city.
Compare a mortgage for a 2 bedroom house purchased in 2017 in the sticks versus rent for a 2 bedroom apartment in Seattle. It's not an attractive change in living expenses.
If you leave Amazon within two years of relocation, you must repay the pre-tax amount of the relocation assistance.
These handcuffs ain't golden.
Voluntary resignation? What a sick joke.
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#40I don't know the origins of the "disagree and commit" philosophy, but Jassy's use seems like a self-serving perversion of what is an attempt at dealing with decision deadlock. ... that is, disagree-and-commit transactionally seems like it ought to be between peers. Disagree-and-commit when applied between superiors and reports could be rewritten as just "shut up and follow orders."
I was just disagreeing and committing is the new “just following orders”