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Re: WordPress introduces 100 year domain registrations

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Post by redeeman »

moralestapia wrote: post #71
bartvk wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A money grab from the people of WordPress? The company that has probably done the most for the development of the web? I find it hard to see it that way.

> The company that has probably done the most for the development of the web? Lol, excuse me? I know WP is big but take a moment to reflect on that statement, WP is far from that.

they have atleast ensured a great many people are dealing with regularly patching crap, and taking care of fallout, from what is arguably one of the most insecure piles of garbage EVER WRITTEN

Re: WordPress introduces 100 year domain registrations

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Post by _xivi »

According to W3techs, WordPress CMS usage & market share have stagnated lately (starting in 2022) and actually began to decline for the first time.

This is a serious milestone, ending their sustained 10% growth streak that they have been riding for years. Inside the company, this must have raised red alarms and made them start looking for new plans.

https://w3techs.com/technologies/history_overview/content_ma...

Re: WordPress introduces 100 year domain registrations

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Post by withinboredom »

hoofhearted wrote: post #86
withinboredom wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming that people want a static site. WordPress isn't just static sites.

It’s not about being a static website. It’s about using the latest cutting edge technology to build the best possible web application for uses. “Best” as in; Perfect SEO, Simple theming, Fastest loading possible, Secure, Simple and affordable hosting, and so on. WordPress is very dated, and they are very comfortable in their niche. The reason they maintain the market share that they do is because there just isn’t a b…

> Fastest loading possible, Secure, Simple and affordable hosting, and so on.

You know that WordPress is actually fast, right? A vanilla install on a crappy $2 a month server will return a response in a few ms.

The problem with WordPress are the plugins and the lack of vetting/rules/oversight. And when they do apply their rules, they apply them in ridiculous ways -- for example, I submitted a plugin that was a wrapper around an open source project, with the project's permission, and was denied because I wasn't the author of the project and the author of the project had no desire to interact with shenanigans like that.

These plugins can do virtually anything and do really "bad" (as in performance and security) things.

If you are doing everything in-house and at least reading/contributing to the plugin code before accepting an external plugin, you can host very performant websites.

I'd even venture to suspect that all these plugins is an indication that people want more functionality than can ever be achieved in a competitor ... but to be clear, there are some pretty solid competitors. These competitors are entirely closed-source, so, choose your poison I guess.

> Why don’t we bring the web back to that?

I know people who host an entire school (very niche skill) online. Their entire thing is built on WordPress. I know of quite a few sites actually running their entire user-facing stack on WordPress (usually with a backend API running Go/C# or something). I even know of some very popular money-management apps where the entire app is just running in WordPress.

The internet isn't just static pages, that ship sailed 3+ decades ago.

Re: WordPress introduces 100 year domain registrations

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Post by ElFitz »

CM30 wrote: post #92

Yeah, I doubt this is going to be hold for 100 years. WordPress itself? Maybe, it's certainly not the kind of software that goes out of fashion in a year or two like many frameworks of the day. But a paid service that's supposed to last 100 years (or heck, longer than 10 years in general) is very unlikely to stick around anywhere near as long as that. Something like 99% of companies will flat out not exist by the nex…

A 100 years ago we didn’t have software.

Oil was all the rage and had only started being massively available two decades ago.

Ford had recently started.

And IBM, then CTR, was just 12 years old.

I wonder how things will look in another 100 years. Perhaps the web won’t have changed much. Perhaps the mere concept of a CMS or human-written software will be laughable.

Unrelated, but funny enough to be worth mentioning, it appears IBM’s founder was the father of Fairchild Semi’s.

Re: WordPress introduces 100 year domain registrations

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Post by redeeman »

CamelCaseName wrote: post #85
refactor_master wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We don’t even have to go back to the 80s to find this kind of impermanence. When the war between Ukraine and Russia first started, energy prices in Europe skyrocketed, causing several utility companies to cancel their customers’ existing fixed-rate plans, to instead pass on all expenses.

Force majeure is almost always an exception to contracts, and for good reason.

and yet it probably would not have been "force majeure" if it had gone the other way

Re: WordPress introduces 100 year domain registrations

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Post by devoutsalsa »

charles_f wrote: post #90
anonzzzies wrote: post #72

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Almost all ‘lifetime subs’ are scams; a company has to be massive to support it and if it doesn’t work out for smaller companies, the consequences don’t matter anyway.

I took a lifetime VPN sub. It always puzzled me why they'd do that, what with the operational cost. It lasted a bit over 10y, which is still a good deal, but not lifetime.

Out of curiosity… does their ULA specify to whom/what “lifetime” refers?

Re: WordPress introduces 100 year domain registrations

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Post by hn_throwaway_99 »

Waterluvian wrote: post #46

It’s just a money grab for anyone who will fall for it. 100 years is long enough that the consequences of failure are nil. Nobody who is pushing this program will be alive to deal with any fallout. It reminds me of the subtle attitude of people making poor engineering decisions because they’ll be long gone by the time payment comes due.

Yeah, this is really, really, really dumb. There is no guarantee the USA will be around in 100 years (and honestly right now I wouldn't bet on the "staying around" side), let alone WordPress.

I think it should be illegal for companies to make any sort of guarantee like this longer than some specified timespan, backed up by some level of "corporate actuarial analysis" around how likely the company is to exist at the end of the term. Bankruptcies happen all the time and they essentially wipe out the claims of customers.

Re: WordPress introduces 100 year domain registrations

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Post by coffeebeqn »

anonzzzies wrote: post #72
Waterluvian wrote: post #46

It’s just a money grab for anyone who will fall for it. 100 years is long enough that the consequences of failure are nil. Nobody who is pushing this program will be alive to deal with any fallout. It reminds me of the subtle attitude of people making poor engineering decisions because they’ll be long gone by the time payment comes due.

Almost all ‘lifetime subs’ are scams; a company has to be massive to support it and if it doesn’t work out for smaller companies, the consequences don’t matter anyway.

It is a lifetime sub! Lifetime of said company

Re: WordPress introduces 100 year domain registrations

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Post by FinnKuhn »

alberth wrote: post #79

Ponzi Scheme Any “forever” or “unlimited” are forms of a Ponzi scheme. Note: I not saying Wordpress is being malicious. I’m just saying that for the economics of a “forever” or “unlimited” to work, you need to find new money to offset the old costs - and a lot of really good companies have had to learn this lesson the hard way.

this isn't "unlimited" or "forever" though. It is for the next 100 years.
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