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Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by gabereiser »

jimmydddd wrote: post #74
reactordev wrote: post #51

The sourced ingredients are indeed regional. The menu is regional as well. The website is built on top of their mobile ordering platform. The mobile ordering platform requires your location to be able to route your order to the “correct” McDonald’s. This is done via requesting your location from Google or via location services within the mobile app. This platform is used by a lot of different QSRs. Or Quick Service R…

I noticed Dunkin' has the just in time feature. It asks if you want your order to wait until you get closer to the location.

Depending on the stores “load”. Exactly. It will hold onto your order until you are close enough for them to start making it and be done when you arrive. It requires knowing the turn-around time, business of location, distance, traffic, order length, estimated time to completion, and of course - your payment authorization. Not all brands show this but all brands do this.

Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by bombcar »

Kwpolska wrote: post #75
bombcar wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Almost any non-mapping application for location is just as well served by “zip-code”.

I’d rather not be picked up by Uber at the middle of whichever area shares my postal code, and I’d rather not get my food delivered there. On the other hand, postal codes can sometimes apply to a handful of buildings, and sometimes can apply to entire cities, depending on the country and local area, so they can either be very unhelpful or almost as invasive as sharing your precise location.

Uber and delivery are both mapping applications.

Pickup from McDonald’s is not, at most there will be two or four in a zip code.

Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by gabereiser »

bombcar wrote: post #82
Kwpolska wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’d rather not be picked up by Uber at the middle of whichever area shares my postal code, and I’d rather not get my food delivered there. On the other hand, postal codes can sometimes apply to a handful of buildings, and sometimes can apply to entire cities, depending on the country and local area, so they can either be very unhelpful or almost as invasive as sharing your precise location.

Uber and delivery are both mapping applications. Pickup from McDonald’s is not, at most there will be two or four in a zip code.

There’s a county in CA, one zip code, 14 McDonald’s.

Another in TX, 8 McDonald’s. Another in FL, 10 McDonald’s.

Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by extraduder_ire »

bandergirl wrote: post #23
gruez wrote: post #20

In other words: blocking random scripts might cause sites to stop working. Who would have thought? This is the equivalent of deleting a random third party analytics library and complaining that your app no longer builds. Sure, there's the concept of progressive enhancement or whatever, but at the same time it's also unreasonable to expect the developer to accommodate the possibility of any third party script getting…

> possibility of any third party script getting blocked I'd say it's not unreasonable. You're giving your third parties the ability to break your business. Third party scripts are blocked or just fail to load all the time, APIs change suddenly, etc.

In this case, breakage doesn't seem to affect you paying them or any of the money-making parts of their business. It might fail at an ordering step, I don't know. All online ordering for Micky-D's here is done through third-parties.

This case specifically just seems to hit (mandated?) nutritional information that's also printed on the packaging.

Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by ryantgtg »

upon_drumhead wrote: post #24
ryantgtg wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google Maps has more functionality than just targeted ads.

What part of https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/about-our-food/nutrition-... Requires a map? On my phone, there’s no map widget nor distance to a restaurant nor anything else distance related. There’s zero reason for the current functionality to require giving google my location. Sure, you can argue that one day they might add something that uses the map, but that day ain’t today nor does it seem a reasonable require…

As mentioned elsewhere in this post, ingredients vary based on country/location and so geolocation might be used for that. I would think of this as something to explore in this investigation. However, you are coming across as so confident in there being zero value that I’m not seeing any value in continuing this dialog.

Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by TheCleric »

reaperducer wrote: post #33
jwie wrote: post #12

Interesting that they won’t infer a location from an IP or other information they have. Seems like they just want the location data and have an excuse to demand it.

Interesting that they won’t infer a location from an IP or other information they have. Right now, Google maps tells me I'm in suburban Atlanta. It's off by more than a thousand miles.

Same, always has me in the Midwest despite not living near there.

Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by ben_w »

Clent wrote: post #73
ben_w wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ad blockers should not be considered "non standard". Even if blockers do count as non-standard, random scripts not loading should not be capable of bringing down your site, and this should've been clear even before the npm left-pad debacle.

There are websites that look for ad-blockers and demand you turn them off. The website has every right to server you the content as they seem fit. You are not entitled to an experience other than the one they are willing to provide.

> You are not entitled to an experience other than the one they are willing to provide.

And they aren't entitled to have me as a user or customer.

As ad blocking is a matter of basic digital sanitation, this is roughly analogous to me refusing to do business with a doctor whose office has a sign outside saying "no facemasks may be worn" — they might be allowed by law to make a bad demand, but it's still bad and they still shouldn't even if they don't care about losing my custom.

Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by TheCleric »

Caligatio wrote: post #72
gruez wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Third party scripts are blocked or just fail to load all the time What's your strategy for dealing with jquery not getting loaded? >APIs change suddenly, etc. That's going to be an issue regardless of you check whether the script is loaded or not.

> What's your strategy for dealing with jquery not getting loaded? Host it on your own infrastructure so that it's the same reliability as your site itself?

I have done that in the past, but there is an upside to not doing it that way. If you use a CDN, and the user has already loaded it from the CDN via another site, that's only less thing to download. So it can make your site seem faster for a subset of users.

Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by upon_drumhead »

Eddygandr wrote: post #41
upon_drumhead wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/about-our-food/nutrition-... Requires a map? On my phone, there’s no map widget nor distance to a restaurant nor anything else distance related. There’s zero reason for the current functionality to require giving google my location. Sure, you can argue that one day they might add something that uses the map, but that day ain’t today nor does it seem a reasonable require…

What are your details for 10 chicken nuggets? Are they different to mine in Sweden? Calories Calories 24grams Total Fat (31 % Daily Value) 24g 24grams Total Fat (31 % DV ) Total Fat (31 % Daily Value) 26grams Total Carbs (9 % Daily Value) 26g 26grams Total Carbs (9 % DV ) Total Carbs (9 % Daily Value) 23grams Protein 23g 23grams Protein Protein Saturated Fat: 4g (20 % DV) 4grams (20 Percent Daily Values ) Dietary Fib…

Mine are exactly the same, and I presume because you clicked on the url I gave, which includes "/us/en-us/".

Switching to "/se/sv-se/" and navigating over to the McNuggets does give different values, however, given the nation is pre-encoded in the url, adding a google map lookup seems entirely pointless.

Re: Google Maps is a critical dependency for nutrition facts on mcdonalds.com

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Post by upon_drumhead »

ryantgtg wrote: post #85
upon_drumhead wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What part of https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/about-our-food/nutrition-... Requires a map? On my phone, there’s no map widget nor distance to a restaurant nor anything else distance related. There’s zero reason for the current functionality to require giving google my location. Sure, you can argue that one day they might add something that uses the map, but that day ain’t today nor does it seem a reasonable require…

As mentioned elsewhere in this post, ingredients vary based on country/location and so geolocation might be used for that. I would think of this as something to explore in this investigation. However, you are coming across as so confident in there being zero value that I’m not seeing any value in continuing this dialog.

The country/location is already detected and used before you get to the nutrition facts page. In the url I gave, it includes "/us/en-us/". As the other commenter to my comment saw, going to that url in Sweden gives the US nutrition facts, not their local ones.

Given the location isn't used to customize the results, nor provide any information on where restaurants are or availability, what do you believe the end user's benefit is?

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