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As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
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Re: As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
#82Title is misleading. Not getting excited about a new Next.js version doesn't mean you don't care about new technology. Maybe it just means that you don't feel like reorganizing your code or something. Relatively speaking it's still an incremental upgrade to your approach overall. I am 45 and stopped caring much about new web frameworks many years ago. It's not that I don't find them interesting or even advantageous i…
Hell, I stopped carrying about new web frameworks when I was 25.
Genuine question, as someone who got exhausted and is out of the industry for the foreseeable future. How do you stay competitive or job hop when every post is looking for the latest web framework?
Re: As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
#83> I want to build things for people. Not constantly update my tools because other developers are bored. i find myself getting frustrated really quickly. if i run a node command and it gives error, i have urge to throw laptop out of window or smash it. web dev use to be about immediacy in the late 90s to mid 00s. now it feels like untangling wires for hours every day. frustrating and tedious.
> now it feels like untangling wires for hours every day.
At least we've moved past webpack, that was a bundle of wires that couldn't ever be completely untangled.
Re: As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
#84Having grown up in 80s/90s, I also start getting older. While I don't care for technology like "do X with an app" where I know X can also be done without an app, I do get excited for actual real new tech with substance. LLM's, self driving cars once they truly work, much higher video resolutions than the past, etc...
As I have gotten older I stopped developing for the web entirely. There's a certain simplicity the UNIX philosophy gave us that is sorely missed. I've started to take the Suckless philosophy more seriously when more than a decade ago I used to mock them for being curmudgeons. There's no glamor in sucking less. No youtube videos or made-for-conference code. But, there's a beauty about it that is hard to describe.
What is Suckless philosophy? Gravitating around simplicity more or less?
Re: As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
#85> I want to build things for people. Not constantly update my tools because other developers are bored. i find myself getting frustrated really quickly. if i run a node command and it gives error, i have urge to throw laptop out of window or smash it. web dev use to be about immediacy in the late 90s to mid 00s. now it feels like untangling wires for hours every day. frustrating and tedious.
Unfortunatly it's not only web development, try setting up some microcontroller toolchains. It's all just really tedious, I'm not a professional so maybe the problem is me, but a lot of this tech stuff is just frustrating to work with. Slow unresponsive UI(vscode + platformio) slow startup times(stmCube or arduinoIDE) it's just frustrating sometimes. Whenever I can I try to work with just VIM and install/upload stuff via serial, which is it' own kind of hellish. :)
Re: As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
#86Content didn’t really follow from the title. It seems like OP wants to minimize unnecessary effort when working towards their goals. I notice it myself in someone who is mid career. I manage the workstation software environment for a group of users, and some of the software versions are a couple of years old because they do the job at hand, everyone knows the UI, etc.
I had an intern over the summer and he “upgraded” a station to the latest of everything, modified the terminal profile with mods, tricked out VIM instead of our pre-existing IDE, and so on. I think maybe one of these changes were actually useful, and the rest broke some dependency in our setup that he had to go fix, or I had to get him to revert when someone else needed to use the station.
We also have a new hire who keeps using the word “Dockerize”, which makes me wary
Re: As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
#87I don't think this is really true. Its just that that the tech world has plateaued and been generally commoditized and boring. I've noticed over the last 10 years not much has changed. Tech used to have stuff you never saw or features that did not exist or solved some pain point you had.
Now next 13 adds new route handling and API fetch changes for its major release, its not exciting. (I don't use nextjs so forgive my generalization on the new features.)
Re: As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
#88> Trying to do this Next 12 -> Next 13 upgrade is not fun
Oh, the horror!
In all seriousness, I have been at this since the late 90s. 1996 specifically when HTML/JS/CSS all became a thing. Do I want to write another complex dynamic HTML form with validation? Not really, no. I really don't enjoy it.
Do I want to upgrade this current Angular application from 16 to 17 that I lead?
Yes, I actually do.
Because I know that will keep us from falling behind, from more tech debt, from an impossible upgrade path. Am I barking orders from on-high? No, I'm not. I'll actually do it myself, because I want to make sure we are are where we need to be.
And after all these years, obviously the front-end is only the least of it. The APIs, the database, the custom hardware, the 3rd party vendors ... the ...
Anyway, burnout is real, if you are feeling it, take a step back. But otherwise, I'd say with technology, you need to care about "new" otherwise you will fall behind.
Re: As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
i have never cared about them
same, complexity for complexity's sake.
To be fair, some of those frameworks were compensating for JavaScript which had real issues as a quickly-becoming-popular language.
SPAs were an answer to cross platform and device issues, given the web browser was the best cross platform piece of software used by the largest population. It made sense to try that vs making native apps on all the different platforms.
The fundamental problem in the web space spawning all of these tools has always been JavaScript’s weaknesses though.
Re: As I get older, I just don't care about new technology
#90I have a similar but slightly different take on that
Instead of "As I get older, I just don't care about new technology" it's more "As I get older, I'm more skeptical of new technology"
When I was a young programmer I thought every new framework, language, innovation was amazing. These days I just look at things with a much more critical eye and a higher bar when asking the question "why does this exist?"
My general stance is that most things we are using are not ideal but are sufficient. However, most new things are not sufficiently better enough to replace what is technically sufficient enough.