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You said the quiet part out loud. I think you're supposed to be a little less obvious at trolling.
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Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
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Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#62At this point, I'm not sure if it's Elon trying to turn everything into a conspiracy theory or journalist are playing dumb. This is nothing burger - this is just basic enforcement of some laws, which happen all the time. Just look at the https://www.justice.gov/news/press-releases website and search "Justice Department Sues". They sue everybody and their mother - that's their job.
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#63Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a punishment for punishment's sake, individuals were allegedly affected by SpaceX's incorrect (and apparently illegal) policy, and they lodged a complaint via the official channels. https://www.justice.gov/media/1311656/dl?inline There are 17 specific examples of instances where Musk/SpaceX were publicly and repeatedly disseminating incorrect information about their hiring requirements (sections 34-51), the…
Every company that has to follow ITAR does this. Its simply not feasible to determine and continuously monitor the legibility of asylees and refugees. Set aside how expensive it will be, you will inevitably end up breaking ITAR laws which is significantly worse.
Not even that, ITAR and other regulations are "vague" because a non-legal person just being in the room where ITAR work is performed can be considered a violation of ITAR. Then you have to spare significant expense sectioning off buildings, access control and security just to maintain that ITARness.
This makes non-ITAR compliant janitors a harder bargain to hire. Same for the cafeteria workers the DOJ mentions, they may overhear discussion of ITAR work in the cafeteria and that's a problem.
For companies that mostly do ITAR work, it's a no brainer to stick to hiring just ITAR compliant individuals. Companies would fall over themselves to hire cheap labor otherwise LOL.
Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#64Meanwhile 'Uncle Sam' will also not let SpaceX hire non-citizen PhDs from US universities. Sometimes it feels like various branches of the US government are set up to sabotage each other.
The government isn't a hivemind, it's a "city" unto itself with different factions with different interests. Only when one awakens to this reality can one see what is going on is not necessarily a malicious, cynical conspiracy by design but ambivalent neglect by Tragedy of the Commons for the most part. Except for campaign financing pulling the strings of the political class at the top, that adds a good 90% of the co…
Money isn't actually all that important in politics. Including campaign financing.
See https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/09/18/too-much-dark-money-in... for some numbers and a deeper analysis.
(Also, whenever you hear about some scandal in the news that involves politicians and money, the sums are almost always laughably low compared to eg government budget or compensation for top CEOs in the private sector. See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CDU_donations_scandal for a German example.)
I agree with the rest of your comment about organisations being made up of different people with different motivations, not a hive mind.
Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#65All the private companies have the right make their own choices.
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Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#66At this point, I'm not sure if it's Elon trying to turn everything into a conspiracy theory or journalist are playing dumb. This is nothing burger - this is just basic enforcement of some laws, which happen all the time. Just look at the https://www.justice.gov/news/press-releases website and search "Justice Department Sues". They sue everybody and their mother - that's their job.
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Why do you assume it’s the only one targeted?
Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#67Meanwhile 'Uncle Sam' will also not let SpaceX hire non-citizen PhDs from US universities. Sometimes it feels like various branches of the US government are set up to sabotage each other.
> Sometimes it feels like various branches of the US government are set up to sabotage each other.
Not sabotage each other, but sabotage people they no longer like.
Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#68All the private companies have the right make their own choices.
On the other end of the spectrum of that argument: “we hire white people only”
I’m sure you can see this can become a problem.
EDIT: why the downvote? You are either for total freedom (including that one) or against (so then you need to draw a line). What’s it gonna be?
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#70Earlier quoted context omitted.
It's not a punishment for punishment's sake, individuals were allegedly affected by SpaceX's incorrect (and apparently illegal) policy, and they lodged a complaint via the official channels. https://www.justice.gov/media/1311656/dl?inline There are 17 specific examples of instances where Musk/SpaceX were publicly and repeatedly disseminating incorrect information about their hiring requirements (sections 34-51), the…
Every company that has to follow ITAR does this. Its simply not feasible to determine and continuously monitor the legibility of asylees and refugees. Set aside how expensive it will be, you will inevitably end up breaking ITAR laws which is significantly worse.
I'm not really sure what you're trying to communicate here. If this is the requirement for the type of business someone ones, it's expected they are following the law, and corrected when they are not. Ignorance might grant some clemency, but you still need to follow it.
My above post is not commenting on the validity of the regulations surrounding ITAR, SpaceX, etc, it was responding to the implication that this effort was politically motivated when it clearly was not.
I don't know how many other companies the governmental department was checking, and it's not really relevant, just like the naughty things other kids may or may not have done when you're explaining why it's not correct to punch another kid just because they didn't share their toys.
"It's hard" isn't really an excuse; other industries are held to pretty strict regulatory standards (the entire medical industry for example) and while there are violations and it's a lot of work to validate that a hospital and the doctors and nurses are meeting these requirements, they do it. There are times hospitals need to be corrected, but they still do it. Same with the legal field, same with engineering fields, etc.
So I'm not sure what exactly is meaning to be communicated here; especially with a company like SpaceX, I expect they should be able to follow the regulations and check their applicants appropriately, not just decide "it's too much work" and deny legitimate and legal candidates a chance for employment.