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66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

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Re: 66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

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As much as I like my vacations, I would rather prefer US salary over it.

Does the US salary hold up against the benefits you get in a well-off EU country? Namely free healthcare, automatic payments into pension fund, strong social system if you're ever in trouble, etc.? It seems to me that, as high as US salaries are, they arent that much higher compared to European salaries when you factor all this in, plus the face that a month of that work youre paid for youre OOO

Free healthcare is not a given even in well-off EU countries. Besides a 'strong social system' (too vague given the dozen ways each country's system is leaking), the remaining points can be done by anyone who has the income to spare.

>automatic payments into pension fund

This is trivial to do if you spend a few hours researching. It's your money they are putting in at the end of the day, but now it's inaccessible to you until you're old. God forbid if you are an exceptional case (e.g. moving outside the EU), since the systems are getting more rigid by the day to save on labor costs.

>as high as US salaries are, they arent that much higher compared to European salaries when you factor all this in

Depends entirely on your job. High-skilled workers are higher at the end of the day. It's almost entirely a cultural/mentality issue for high-skilled workers, who have the money to take months off but are trained to be workaholics. The same way most Europeans are trained to do this '1 month off 11 months on with Xmas and a few random days free' dance, without realizing they can take off more if they have the money for it.

It's primarily to the benefit of low-skilled workers, who are guaranteed a better minimum in most of the EU rather than being at the mercy of the 'free market' in the US. And even that is debatable and case-by-case.

Re: 66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

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I‘ve been to the US for a long vacation (4,5 weeks or with traveltime and rest day before and after a whole month). I was able to do this because I have 35 days of vacation (a bonus program from my employer, stay more then x years and your vacation days increase. I have the maximum after 7 years) While I was traveling through south California and Arizona I dreamed how awesome it would be to live here and be able to visit more awesome sites without a 11-13h flight and all the other costs. Then I realized: If I would live and work here I might not get the vacation days I‘m used to, to do all these things. Bubble bursted for the time being. Or are there exceptions? I also include a normal weekly hour rate. I work 40h a week and can be very flexible with these times.

Re: 66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

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post #23
post #6

Did the survey ask if they wanted a pay cut to match European style wages?

Reaching 50 years old, never got this American complaint about our salaries. The whole package is what matters. We work to live, not live to work.

I think Americans also are quite delusional about how low the European salaries are. Getting six figures in Europe isn't particularly hard anymore.

Re: 66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

#55

It has been shown that you need around 14 days of interrupted rest to recover from stress etc. The European laws are not some random thing we made up because we are lazy. It is to ensure workers are well rested and ready for a new working year. Hence in long term it will also benefit employers. Some personal anecdata: I notice an immediate difference when I come back after a long vacation. The first 2-3 months I work…

In Germany it is actually mandated by law that you take two consecutive weeks of vacation in a year!

I've lived in Germany the last few years, I never heard of this, not saying it's not true but it's defo not enforced

Re: 66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

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It has been shown that you need around 14 days of interrupted rest to recover from stress etc. The European laws are not some random thing we made up because we are lazy. It is to ensure workers are well rested and ready for a new working year. Hence in long term it will also benefit employers. Some personal anecdata: I notice an immediate difference when I come back after a long vacation. The first 2-3 months I work…

How long is that long term because there aren't that many great European companies.

I count 10 European companies on this list, and 20 US.

Maybe is not as bad as you think?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_largest_companies_by_r...

Re: 66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the US salary hold up against the benefits you get in a well-off EU country? Namely free healthcare, automatic payments into pension fund, strong social system if you're ever in trouble, etc.? It seems to me that, as high as US salaries are, they arent that much higher compared to European salaries when you factor all this in, plus the face that a month of that work youre paid for youre OOO

For Germany: "Free" as in waiting for months to get an appointment with a specialist? "Pension fund" as in gigantic ponzi scheme that requires 30% of the state‘s yearly budget, with no party having any kind of plan how to save the system? "Strong social system" as in being taken advantage of with the world‘s second highest taxes? Sure, I’d rather be super poor in Europe than in the US. But anybody above the poorest,…

Healthcare in the US is super uneven. I had longer wait times for appointments in the northeast than I do here in Norway now with the public system.

You can get really lucky in the US and have a great experience, but you can also have really terrible ones _and_ pay quite a bit for it.

Re: 66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

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post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does the US salary hold up against the benefits you get in a well-off EU country? Namely free healthcare, automatic payments into pension fund, strong social system if you're ever in trouble, etc.? It seems to me that, as high as US salaries are, they arent that much higher compared to European salaries when you factor all this in, plus the face that a month of that work youre paid for youre OOO

For Germany: "Free" as in waiting for months to get an appointment with a specialist? "Pension fund" as in gigantic ponzi scheme that requires 30% of the state‘s yearly budget, with no party having any kind of plan how to save the system? "Strong social system" as in being taken advantage of with the world‘s second highest taxes? Sure, I’d rather be super poor in Europe than in the US. But anybody above the poorest,…

Free as in I can get flown to the ER without having to worry to go bankrupt.

Strong social system as in you get 60% of your salary if you go unemployed for s year.

Im not sure you realize that lots of things you pay are for the chance something doesnt go as planned in your life. Ofc its better to live in the US from a financial standpoint if everything works out and you never get sick or unemployed etc

Re: 66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

#59
post #6

Did the survey ask if they wanted a pay cut to match European style wages?

The UK's minimum wage is £10.42 per hour. That's about US$13.

What's the minimum wage in the USA?

And, yes, if you're a full-time minimum wage employee in the UK you get a minimum of 28 days paid holiday.

Re: 66% of Americans say they want extended European-style vacation policies at work

#60
post #6

Did the survey ask if they wanted a pay cut to match European style wages?

What's the point of having money if you don't have the time to spend it?

You know you can take unpaid vacations, right?
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