Just seems like a politically motivated punishment vs Elon. Out of all the corrupt things US Corps are doing, this is what they are focusing on?
Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
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Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#12Meanwhile 'Uncle Sam' will also not let SpaceX hire non-citizen PhDs from US universities. Sometimes it feels like various branches of the US government are set up to sabotage each other.
> Explaining why this was way off-piste, the DoJ said in a statement yesterday: "Under these regulations, asylees, refugees, lawful permanent residents, US citizens and US nationals working at US companies can access export-controlled items without authorization from the US government. Therefore, these laws do not require SpaceX to treat asylees and refugees differently than US citizens or green card holders."
> Under these regulations ... lawful permanent residents ... can access export-controlled items without authorization from the US government.
As someone who works on ITAR-regulated things, that is flat-out wrong.
Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#13Meanwhile 'Uncle Sam' will also not let SpaceX hire non-citizen PhDs from US universities. Sometimes it feels like various branches of the US government are set up to sabotage each other.
> Explaining why this was way off-piste, the DoJ said in a statement yesterday: "Under these regulations, asylees, refugees, lawful permanent residents, US citizens and US nationals working at US companies can access export-controlled items without authorization from the US government. Therefore, these laws do not require SpaceX to treat asylees and refugees differently than US citizens or green card holders."
I am not saying the government has made a technical mistake, I'm saying the regulation is nonsense.
Sneaking in spies as refugees is a fairly common strategy.
Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#14Meanwhile: https://www.nasa.gov/careers/working-with-nasa Other than extremely rare exceptions, you must be a U.S. citizen in order to work for NASA as a civil service employee.
However you can (and many do) work for nasa as an employee of a contractor. Working for NASA as a "civil servant" means "are an employee of the federal government", which is a very different thing in employment law.
It is also a different thing in terms of compensation: a friend of mine just started working at NASA in Mountain View. They were given two offers for the same job "you work directly for NASA for $60k as an entry level federal employee with federal employee benefits" or "you work for a contractor for 100k and shitty contractor benefits". They went the "I need to pay Bay Area rent" path, but have found that because they aren't "civil servant" they essentially cannot work with other organizations or universities.
Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#15Previously: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37250388
Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#16If they care so deeply about non-citizens maybe they should pull a Caracalla move and grant citizenship to everyone in their empire?
Or at least the refugees who are well qualified rocket scientists.
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#17Just seems like a politically motivated punishment vs Elon. Out of all the corrupt things US Corps are doing, this is what they are focusing on?
From the DOJ's complaint. Seems to me like it could become quite expensive.
https://www.justice.gov/media/1311656/dl?inline
THEREFORE, Complainant respectfully requests:
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Order SpaceX to hire applicants who were victims of the discriminatory practices alleged in this Complaint and were qualified for employment;
Order SpaceX to pay back pay, including interest, and all other relief available to each individual discriminated against who was qualified and who is found to have suffered uncompensated lost wages due to denied or delayed employment as a result of the discriminatory practices alleged in this Complaint
Re: Uncle Sam accuses SpaceX of not considering asylees and refugees for employment
#18Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Explaining why this was way off-piste, the DoJ said in a statement yesterday: "Under these regulations, asylees, refugees, lawful permanent residents, US citizens and US nationals working at US companies can access export-controlled items without authorization from the US government. Therefore, these laws do not require SpaceX to treat asylees and refugees differently than US citizens or green card holders."
I am not saying the government has made a technical mistake, I'm saying the regulation is nonsense. Sneaking in spies as refugees is a fairly common strategy.
Yeah, a refugee who is also a highly qualified rocket scientist should raise some healthy suspicion at the least.
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#19Meanwhile 'Uncle Sam' will also not let SpaceX hire non-citizen PhDs from US universities. Sometimes it feels like various branches of the US government are set up to sabotage each other.
The government isn't a hivemind, it's a "city" unto itself with different factions with different interests. Only when one awakens to this reality can one see what is going on is not necessarily a malicious, cynical conspiracy by design but ambivalent neglect by Tragedy of the Commons for the most part. Except for campaign financing pulling the strings of the political class at the top, that adds a good 90% of the corruption.
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