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Re: Paper cups are just as toxic as plastic cups

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Post by Ekaros »

arp242 wrote: post #27
veave wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glass sucks. That's why we stopped using it. It's expensive, it's brittle, it's heavy, it takes up a lot of space.

> That's why we stopped using it. Except we didn't; wine and spirits come almost exclusively in glass bottles, beer is frequently in glass (although cans are also used), almost every store will have some sodas and bottled water in glass, most people at home and restaurants use glasses made from, well, glass, etc.

I don't use drugs. But my understanding is that plastic bottles aren't exactly uncommon even for spirits. And then with wines you get the boxed stuff. A carboard box, with plastic/foil bag inside.

Re: Paper cups are just as toxic as plastic cups

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Post by glimshe »

veave wrote: post #15
morsch wrote: post #13

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There's glass . Has been around for 3000+ years.

Glass sucks. That's why we stopped using it. It's expensive, it's brittle, it's heavy, it takes up a lot of space.

Glass is amazing. You haven't tasted a beverage until you had it in a glass cup or bottle.

Re: Paper cups are just as toxic as plastic cups

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Post by phito »

chaxor wrote: post #22
Tade0 wrote: post #11

Stainless steel is a great replacement, but it gets stolen a lot in places that implement it. Hell, even reusable plastic containers get stolen: https://packagingeurope.com/news/reusable-mcdonalds-packagin...

Steel can often contain small but considerable amounts of heavy metals like lead.

Then how come it's used so much in cookware?

Re: Paper cups are just as toxic as plastic cups

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Post by adrian_b »

chaxor wrote: post #18
veave wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glass sucks. That's why we stopped using it. It's expensive, it's brittle, it's heavy, it takes up a lot of space.

Don't forget, often contains lead or other heavy metals.

This is true only for old or expensive crystal glasses.

Most common soda-lime glass has negligible amounts of undesirable impurities, while borosilicate glass, like I use for my food and drinks, is even more pure and it contains almost nothing besides oxides of silicon, boron, sodium and aluminum, and it is inert in contact with food.

Re: Paper cups are just as toxic as plastic cups

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Post by arp242 »

chaxor wrote: post #18
veave wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glass sucks. That's why we stopped using it. It's expensive, it's brittle, it's heavy, it takes up a lot of space.

Don't forget, often contains lead or other heavy metals.

The only thing I can find on this: https://www.plymouth.ac.uk/news/toxic-substances-found-in-th...

In short, only the enamelled decorations may contain heavy metals, which leech in the environment after use. This is a serious problem, but not with glass as such.

Re: Paper cups are just as toxic as plastic cups

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Post by veave »

glimshe wrote: post #32
veave wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glass sucks. That's why we stopped using it. It's expensive, it's brittle, it's heavy, it takes up a lot of space.

Glass is amazing. You haven't tasted a beverage until you had it in a glass cup or bottle.

Neither glass nor plastic add or detract from the flavour of a beverage.

Re: Paper cups are just as toxic as plastic cups

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Post by throwbadubadu »

Ekaros wrote: post #31
arp242 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's why we stopped using it. Except we didn't; wine and spirits come almost exclusively in glass bottles, beer is frequently in glass (although cans are also used), almost every store will have some sodas and bottled water in glass, most people at home and restaurants use glasses made from, well, glass, etc.

I don't use drugs. But my understanding is that plastic bottles aren't exactly uncommon even for spirits. And then with wines you get the boxed stuff. A carboard box, with plastic/foil bag inside.

Hm... I think in Europe most if not all of the alcohol comes in glass (or also still sometimes a tin can). Only some beer is in plastic bottles, but most would say that is a sin and a no go and never touch it.

Re: Paper cups are just as toxic as plastic cups

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Post by arp242 »

Ekaros wrote: post #31
arp242 wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> That's why we stopped using it. Except we didn't; wine and spirits come almost exclusively in glass bottles, beer is frequently in glass (although cans are also used), almost every store will have some sodas and bottled water in glass, most people at home and restaurants use glasses made from, well, glass, etc.

I don't use drugs. But my understanding is that plastic bottles aren't exactly uncommon even for spirits. And then with wines you get the boxed stuff. A carboard box, with plastic/foil bag inside.

I've only seen plastic bottles for very small bottles: the type you get in a mini-bar or airplane. If you go to a supermarket or off-license you typically won't find non-glass bottles for regular-sized wine or spirits.

Re: Paper cups are just as toxic as plastic cups

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Post by another-dave »

The title of the actual academic paper linked in the press release is "Single-use take-away cups of paper are as toxic to aquatic midge larvae as plastic cups", which seems more focused.

It's a real shame when universities themselves participant in the tabloidification of how their research is presented.

Would much prefer to see them promoting scientific literacy rather than trying to be as 'attention grabbing' as possible.

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