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Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

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This is just bad. You are not making the clever joke you think you are. For one thing, shopping at Dollar Tree is not an antisocial behavior that harms other people, so you do not need to justify it by saying you needed to do it. You are free to shop at Dollar Tree whether you "need" to or not if it pleases you to do so. The equivalency you're trying to draw between shoplifting and shopping at Dollar Tree isn't there…

> For one thing, shopping at Dollar Tree is not an antisocial behavior that harms other people Clearly, anyone who believes “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism” would disagree. A fair number of the people who would readily acknowledge that there is ethical consumption under capitalism, and even those that see consumption under capitalism as presumptively-but-not-categorically-ethical would also disagree…

People believe all sorts of crazy things.

Re: Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

#82

If you're stealing from Dollar Tree, you're either truly needy or just in it for the thrill of being antisocial. Their stuff hasn't got any value in the store, much less fenced.

It's not that they truly need it at all. It's that they have gotten so used to doing it due to the non-existent consequences that it has become a way of life for them now.

Re: Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

#83
post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> For one thing, shopping at Dollar Tree is not an antisocial behavior that harms other people Clearly, anyone who believes “there is no ethical consumption under capitalism” would disagree. A fair number of the people who would readily acknowledge that there is ethical consumption under capitalism, and even those that see consumption under capitalism as presumptively-but-not-categorically-ethical would also disagree…

People believe all sorts of crazy things.

“Having ethics beyond ‘whatever acts of trade are legal are ethical and ‘harmless’ regardless of their context and actual consequences’ is crazy” is, well, I’d describe that as a crazy thing that, apparently, some people believe.

Re: Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

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post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People believe all sorts of crazy things.

“Having ethics beyond ‘whatever acts of trade are legal are ethical and ‘harmless’ regardless of their context and actual consequences’ is crazy” is, well, I’d describe that as a crazy thing that, apparently, some people believe.

Ethics might as well be religion. People decide based on emotion and come up with reasons after.

If you read an article about Dollar Tree and it makes you feel bad and you don’t want to shop there, that’s your prerogative.

For me, I’m not interested in being guilted into assuming ethical responsibility for the decisions of the Dollar Tree management. I presume they are adults of sound mind so the responsibility for their choices is theirs alone.

FWIW I can probably count on one hand the number of times in my life I’ve shopped at any dollar store so it’s a moot point.

Re: Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

#85
post #76

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Almost 10% of children in the US are food insecure, 60% of Americans can't afford a $1,000 emergency, and 40% can't afford a $400 emergency. We also have a homeless population of 500,000 and rapidly growing. Do you happen to live in a place that's considered to be a bubble?

There’s certainly people who need food. I’m not arguing that starvation doesn’t exist. I’m arguing that most shoplifters aren’t starving. And if they were, they wouldn’t shoplift food from dollar tree as the food is all in small packages. People who starve don’t become stupid and would likely shoplift more expensive, nutrient dense items.

I like this reasoning. The act of stealing from a dollar store indicates that a person is not starving because a starving person would plan out a more efficient theft at an establishment that carries larger items.

Re: Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

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If you're stealing from Dollar Tree, you're either truly needy or just in it for the thrill of being antisocial. Their stuff hasn't got any value in the store, much less fenced.

Is anyone truly needy enough to shoplift? I’m not sure how we would get good data but I’ve known a lot of shoplifters and none of them needed the food.

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Re: Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

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If you're stealing from Dollar Tree, you're either truly needy or just in it for the thrill of being antisocial. Their stuff hasn't got any value in the store, much less fenced.

Is anyone truly needy enough to shoplift? I’m not sure how we would get good data but I’ve known a lot of shoplifters and none of them needed the food.

> Is anyone truly needy enough to shoplift?

Please tell me this is a troll. Please....

* Eating it anyway when you learn how to cook.

* Buying anything on sale, because you can't buy anything else, and anything is better than nothing.

* Mom/dad don't bother saying "we'll buy it next paycheck"

* Clothing is something we only buy for the oldest.

If these things are foreign to you, I am very glad. No one should have to deal with these choices.

I will accept the idea that many (most? almost all? i don't care) shoplifters could have paid for the product. That still means the idea that "being poor enough to need to steal" is incomprehensible tells me that you either never experienced poverty, or forgot.

I've been lucky enough to not need to steal to provide for my family. If I was hungry, I'd might steal some food.

If my wife was hungry, I'd do a hell of a lot more than stealing food.

Re: Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

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I'll assume you're being serious with your comment. Shariah has conditions for when Hudud penalties are to be applied. Just because someone stole does not mean the harshest punishment automatically applies. There are factors such as adulthood, not being in a famine, the value stolen being over a certain amount (approx 1gm of gold), and so on. An investigation is conducted and the judge rules.

This is not to say that other punishments cannot apply for those other cases - there's something called Ta'zeer that can be applied. Of course we're not making small of the matter, theft is a very very serious crime, and we'd have a lot less of it if Hudud were applied ;)

Other than that I agree that Shariah would set today's world straight back in place.

Re: Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

#89
post #79

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Have you, personally, ever known anyone who couldn't afford food? But you know people like that exist, right?

Of course people can’t afford food. It’s not appropriate or accurate to think that because someone is hungry and can’t afford food that they would steal. That’s stereotyping poor people as criminals.

Not understanding the basic idea of

"{I, a loved one} is hungry; I will steal to feed {myself, them}"

is an amazing thing to me. I am so glad people exist who can't understand this thinking.

Not because of any moral idealism about "stealing is wrong", but the fact the person thinking this has obviously never been in a place where the options were "stealing" or "starvation".

Not to go Les Mis, but it is an easy choice for me if my wife was hungry, to go out and steal some bread.

Re: Dollar Tree is the latest retailer to say shoplifting is squeezing margins

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I'll assume you're being serious with your comment. Shariah has conditions for when Hudud penalties are to be applied. Just because someone stole does not mean the harshest punishment automatically applies. There are factors such as adulthood, not being in a famine, the value stolen being over a certain amount (approx 1gm of gold), and so on. An investigation is conducted and the judge rules. This is not to say that…

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