OpenAI now tries to hide that ChatGPT was trained on copyrighted books

Post by ada1981 » Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 2:51 AM UTC

everly wrote: post #35

mdorazio wrote: post #24

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I'm not understanding how it's different. For example, if I specifically set out to make money by creating and selling a parody of Harry Potter by reading all the Harry Potter books a bunch of times, does that make my parody a violation of the spirit of existing copyright law? Edit to add another example because someone is going to say that parody is its own thing and exempted. If I want to make money by writing a fi…

Surely you must understand the difference between copying something and producing something entirely new. If you literally only consumed Tarantino media and had no other influences, and then one day made a movie so great everyone was calling you the next Tarantino - that would be fine! As long as you didn't copy anything that he actually made himself. Being influenced by is not the same as copying.

Post by melagonster » Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 2:55 AM UTC

akasakahakada wrote: post #49

everly wrote: post #13

People keep comparing it to a human ingesting content throughout their life and then being influenced in their own works. I'm sorry but that is not the same thing - at all. The concept of training a model with the explicit intent of selling the output of that model is inherently different. Not saying that it should be illegal. But it is clearly in violation of the spirit of existing copyright law, in my opinion. They…

Yes, it is different that human has magic and machine don't. I learn stuff from books and sell my skills. I definitely copied someone's knowledge about calculus, engineering, and I am intented to earn money from them. Machine cannot do this because only me has magic.

Post by imgabe » Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 2:56 AM UTC

everly wrote: post #44

imgabe wrote: post #32

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Using the knowledge from the book !== reproducing any part of the book. If I read a math book that shows me how to do an integral, then use that knowledge to do integrals, I'm not infringing the copyright of the book, ffs. If you read in a book that the main export of Germany is Bavarian creme doughnuts, and you use that knowledge in a job interview (i.e. making money) to land a job as a Bavarian creme doughnut impor…

I am not saying that using knowledge is a copyright violation. Sorry but I think we're talking past each other. Inputting entire books verbatim into a model is not the same as a human learning a fact and using it later.

Post by thrill » Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 2:59 AM UTC

Post by akasakahakada » Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 3:04 AM UTC

saulpw wrote: post #45

areoform wrote: post #40

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Then why should AI?

Because AI isn't human? It's a machine/algorithm?