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Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

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Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#11

This is very alarming and a very overreaching thing by the government. These men wrote an open source protocol (smart contract) which was used by random folks to "also" launder money. Its like arresting Tor developers because people host illegal content on it. Leaving this here for more details and reference: https://rnikhil.com/2022/08/09/tornado-cash-block.html

Yeah well, let's just say a big country doesn't want another big country to be able to get away from sanctions. If you catch my drift

Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#12
Previously: Tornado Cash Founders Charges with Money Laundering[0](5pts, 0 comments, 1 day ago), Tornado Cash devs charged with laundering more than $1B[1](110pts, 113 comments, 1 day ago), Tornado Cash founders charged with laundering more than $1B[2](2pts, 0 comments, 12 hours ago), U.S. Charges Two Alleged Founders of Tornado Cash with Money Laundering[3](1pt, 0 comments, 5 hours ago)

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37240901 [1]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37242043 [2]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37247966 [3]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37253522

Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#13
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? They were running tornado cash which existed for the sole purpose of laundering money. This isn't at all reaching, if your bank down the street started shredding records for deposits in order to transact with drug dealers, they would also be arrested.

But this isn't the same. Going by your example, its like arresting the designer of the shredder machine

Shredders have legitimate uses, this is more like a ghost gun. It's pretty much only used for breaking the law.

Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#14
This is concerning:

At one point, when the founders suggested they create a version of the service that would adhere to federal anti-money-laundering and know-your-customer rules, the investors at the venture capital fund “dismissed the idea,” the indictment says. One of them allegedly wrote “it would be unlikely that as a fund we’d use a ‘compliant mixer.’”

Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#15
Has anyone figured out who "Venture Capital Fund-1" is?

The investment being referred to seems to have been into the "Peppersec Inc" entity.

They're anonymized this way in the indictment and online listings don't seem to list this mystery funder.

Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#16
The WaPo's title is deceptive. It should be "Men charged with laundering more than $1B using cryptocurrency."

Honestly that would not have caused me to read the article. I clicked because I didn't really know what laundering cryptocurrency itself would involve, except a "washing machine" site (which is of course this is). I was hoping to learn something new.

The way to win with a washing machine is to run one, and then when the volume gets high enough just take all the crypto for yourself -- by definition you'd be untraceable, just as your customers wanted.

Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#17
post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Huh? They were running tornado cash which existed for the sole purpose of laundering money. This isn't at all reaching, if your bank down the street started shredding records for deposits in order to transact with drug dealers, they would also be arrested.

But this isn't the same. Going by your example, its like arresting the designer of the shredder machine

Ignoring that I think you're grossly understating their involvement, if you want to focus on only their development efforts, this is FAR closer to the people that made diesel tuners to facilitate removing emissions equipment.

There's no legitimate reason for those to exist. Or this.

Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#18
post #12

Previously: Tornado Cash Founders Charges with Money Laundering[0](5pts, 0 comments, 1 day ago), Tornado Cash devs charged with laundering more than $1B[1](110pts, 113 comments, 1 day ago), Tornado Cash founders charged with laundering more than $1B[2](2pts, 0 comments, 12 hours ago), U.S. Charges Two Alleged Founders of Tornado Cash with Money Laundering[3](1pt, 0 comments, 5 hours ago) [0]: https://news.ycombinator…

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Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#19

I smell a swap. Roman Storm for Evan Gershkovich and Snowden?

No, they definitely don't want to be in Russia because Tornado cash was used to make donations to Ukranian army (because the donators don't want to go to jail, since it's illegal). So Russia would be happy to jail the developers of that service.

Re: Men charged by U.S. with laundering more than $1B in cryptocurrency

#20

This is concerning: At one point, when the founders suggested they create a version of the service that would adhere to federal anti-money-laundering and know-your-customer rules, the investors at the venture capital fund “dismissed the idea,” the indictment says. One of them allegedly wrote “it would be unlikely that as a fund we’d use a ‘compliant mixer.’”

What does compliant mixer mean here?
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