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Apparatus for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force (1963)

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Re: Apparatus for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force (1963)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

anotherhue wrote: post #107
drekipus wrote: post #75

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you don't count "complications caused by intervention" and things like that, then no it isn't. We've decided that it will be safer and more comfortable for us to do it at home with professional help. Thankfully the public hospital here had a home birthing unit, which was only started about 3 years ago.

I was amazed at how many complications were caused by their scheduling decisions.

There's a maternity hospital near me that we learned (through experience) has a simple method for simplifying scheduling: approximately everyone gets booked for an oxitocin-induced birth.

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Post by croo »

PartiallyTyped wrote: post #62
NoZebra120vClip wrote: post #60

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Doctors' discomfort is also why they are so eager to slice women open like a fish, because baby needs to come on their schedule or they'll be late for tee time.

[[citation needed]] To my knowledge Caesarean Section is a last resort.

Far from last resort. How often it's used is based on location. Let me do the citation:

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/c-section...

First is Mexico and Turkey with more than 50%! USA is 32%. Norway seems to be quite low with 16% as far as first world countries go.

Re: Apparatus for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force (1963)

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Post by PixyMisa »

hirundo wrote: post #94

There was a Heinlein story where Lazurus Long delivers the baby of a slave girl he had rescued by accelerating the spaceship they were in at the crucial moment. Anyone remember which book?

Time Enough for Love, the section of the story with the complementary twins.

I think he adjusted the artificial gravity rather than the acceleration, but yes, I immediately thought of that when I saw this item.

Re: Apparatus for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force (1963)

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Post by TeMPOraL »

permo-w wrote: post #140
TeMPOraL wrote: post #136

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In Poland, I first started hearing it around vaccines and climate discussions couple years before COVID - but that may have been because I was hanging out in various social media groups discussing those topics (and/or just mocking the "science deniers"). The term however seems to have exploded in use since the pandemic. I think it's because it suddenly became relevant to mass audience and journalists started using it…

was that in Polish? if so, what is the Polish version?

There isn't a set one. "Antynaukowy" (lit. "anti-science") is the most common I've seen, perhaps because it's close to a well-established term "antyszczepionkowiec" ("anti-vaxxer") - but most often, it's just any of the expression that contains the core term of "anti science" or "denying science", such as "antynaukowe poglądy" ("anti-scientific beliefs"), "zaprzeczasz nauce" ("you're denying science"), etc.

Re: Apparatus for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force (1963)

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Post by soudiere »

DoingIsLearning wrote: post #70
croo wrote: post #39

Everybody is joking half sarcastically here but childbirth as a process in hospitals do have serious problems and modern day labour leaves deep mental scars in most women while being one of the most important thing in their life. This is definitely a step in the wrong direction however laughable the idea is. Do you know what is the most uncomfortable position for labour is? Yeah, layin on your back. It's just the mos…

> modern day labour leaves deep mental scars in most women while being one of the most important thing in their life. > Do you know what is the most uncomfortable position for labour is? Yeah, layin on your back. It's just the most comfortable position for the _doctor_. You are looking at it from the eyes of the Health System that you know. I lived in countries were elective C-sections are a thing and the father is j…

Squat birthing is a nice idea, but you have to look at the evidence, it's good for some things and maybe not great for other things like cesarean (RR 2.26 in this meta analysis)

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S030121152...

Re: Apparatus for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force (1963)

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Post by throw0101a »

pfannkuchen wrote: post #105
drekipus wrote: post #53

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Thanks for sharing this. It's so crucial to know that we have actually lost this information and we're getting worse. > Do you know what is the most uncomfortable position for labour is? Yeah, layin on your back. My wife and I were shocked when we had our first. We were recommended a "natural birth" course that taught us this, and everyone gave us crap about being "woo-woo" and "denying science". Everyone. We also ha…

Does anyone know how the phrase "denying science" crept into people’s vocabulary? I find it incredibly creepy since it sort of treats science as a religion, and usually people who say it seem to know basically nothing about actual science. If I think back before about 10 years ago I don’t think I had ever heard it before. In the past, non-technically minded people didn’t really cite “science” as a concrete reason to…

> I find it incredibly creepy since it sort of treats science as a religion […]

This has been a thing for a while:

* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientism

Re: Apparatus for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force (1963)

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Post by Jolter »

IshKebab wrote: post #36
undecisive wrote: post #13

> In the case of a woman who has a fully developed muscular system and has had ample physical exertion all through the pregnancy, as is common with all more primitive peoples, nature provides all the necessary equipment and power to have a normal and quick delivery. This is not the case, however, with more civilized Women who often do not have the opportunity to develop the muscles needed in confinement. Ignoring the…

It's also nonsense. It's not about having muscles, it's about having children aged 13 instead of 30.

A 13-year old is actually very likely to develop serious complications if pregnant. Their body is not developed enough for childbirth.

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Post by joelgreenhall »

drekipus wrote: post #53
croo wrote: post #39

Everybody is joking half sarcastically here but childbirth as a process in hospitals do have serious problems and modern day labour leaves deep mental scars in most women while being one of the most important thing in their life. This is definitely a step in the wrong direction however laughable the idea is. Do you know what is the most uncomfortable position for labour is? Yeah, layin on your back. It's just the mos…

Thanks for sharing this. It's so crucial to know that we have actually lost this information and we're getting worse. > Do you know what is the most uncomfortable position for labour is? Yeah, layin on your back. My wife and I were shocked when we had our first. We were recommended a "natural birth" course that taught us this, and everyone gave us crap about being "woo-woo" and "denying science". Everyone. We also ha…

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Re: Apparatus for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force (1963)

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Post by BurningFrog »

lionkor wrote: post #131
candiddevmike wrote: post #80

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By the looks of it you are denying science... Hopefully you live close enough to a hospital. Pregnancy complications can happen suddenly and require immediate medical assistance.

> denying science science isnt a religion, you cant deny it or follow it, there is a rigorous process and sometimes the results are wrong, misleading, or lead to the wrong decisions. Do not pretend there's an absolute in science, especially medicine, where one can say "this is the only good way" and know it to be true.

"Denying science" usually means denying scientifically proven facts.

Re: Apparatus for facilitating the birth of a child by centrifugal force (1963)

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Post by Slava_Propanei »

DennisP wrote: post #129
bondarchuk wrote: post #125

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From my viewpoint (in europe though) I only started hearing/seeing it during coronavirus.

In the US we got a head start on it with climate.

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