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Re: Leaving Haskell behind

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Post by mathisfun123 »

jamincan wrote: post #37
mathisfun123 wrote: post #12

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> Second, this is similar to the "equalise things by dragging everyone down to the same level"-type of thinking. > and not allowing for an opportunity to write really good code. Basically, enforced mediocrity. > straightforward, laziest, zero optimisation code, and giving themselves an excuse for that. > justify their laziness, Jesus christ you have so much disdain for such a large set of people. Have you ever consid…

> Sometimes I wonder if some language communities really are cults. It's the same with Lisp - replace "type system" with "homoiconic" and you have the exact same mantras about ultimate supremacy and "intellectual" superiority. But the proof of the pudding is in the eating and across probably 10 computing devices in my home, not a single one has any Haskell or Lisp programs running on it. Lots of Java, C, C++, Python,…

fair enough - i don't use xmonad but i do use pandoc on occasion. in full transparency: it occurred to me that i am familiar with postgrest, though i've never run it personally. still no lisp programs though!

Re: Leaving Haskell behind

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Post by wslh »

pyrale wrote: post #20

As someone that has also written haskell for about a decade and moved away from it as a breadwinner recently (but for other reasons - I simply wanted to filter job offerings based on social utility rather than language stacks), I definitely agree with the author's first point: the Haskell community values learning extremely strongly. That's great because you work with curious people that have always something to teac…

I wonder why this discussion about tooling does not include .NET languages or Swift, even if the first class tooling are IDEs such as Visual Studio or Xcode. Most probably because the open source world escapes big tech dependencies?

Re: Leaving Haskell behind

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Post by pyrale »

mberning wrote: post #27
pyrale wrote: post #20

As someone that has also written haskell for about a decade and moved away from it as a breadwinner recently (but for other reasons - I simply wanted to filter job offerings based on social utility rather than language stacks), I definitely agree with the author's first point: the Haskell community values learning extremely strongly. That's great because you work with curious people that have always something to teac…

I’m a bit incredulous that Java’s tooling is in the “sucks” category. You could say a lot of negative things about Java, but the tools available freely and commercially are in a league of their own.

Well, it really depends on what you value in your tooling I guess. I tend to appreciate minimalist tooling, and Java definitely doesn't fit that bill.

To be fair, the language needs that tooling to be practical, and the quantity of it isn't helped by its long history so it isn't necessarily the tool makers that are to blame.

Re: Leaving Haskell behind

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Post by CraigJPerry »

Tainnor wrote: post #38
mberning wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m a bit incredulous that Java’s tooling is in the “sucks” category. You could say a lot of negative things about Java, but the tools available freely and commercially are in a league of their own.

I think it's nuanced. IDEs are great, but there's often a lack of good CLI tools and they often show their age. For example, I find checkstyle rather annoying to configure and use.

If you’re looking for alternatives, SonarQube has jumped quite far in the last few releases. I like the coherence of the platform now and i find the default gates aren’t oppressive like they were in days gone by.

I’ve gone all in on them these days, the feedback from sonarlint in the IDE is usually useful.

Re: Leaving Haskell behind

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Post by Tainnor »

wslh wrote: post #42
pyrale wrote: post #20

As someone that has also written haskell for about a decade and moved away from it as a breadwinner recently (but for other reasons - I simply wanted to filter job offerings based on social utility rather than language stacks), I definitely agree with the author's first point: the Haskell community values learning extremely strongly. That's great because you work with curious people that have always something to teac…

I wonder why this discussion about tooling does not include .NET languages or Swift, even if the first class tooling are IDEs such as Visual Studio or Xcode. Most probably because the open source world escapes big tech dependencies?

No idea about .NET, but XCode is a joke of an IDE.

Re: Leaving Haskell behind

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Post by Tainnor »

CraigJPerry wrote: post #45
Tainnor wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it's nuanced. IDEs are great, but there's often a lack of good CLI tools and they often show their age. For example, I find checkstyle rather annoying to configure and use.

If you’re looking for alternatives, SonarQube has jumped quite far in the last few releases. I like the coherence of the platform now and i find the default gates aren’t oppressive like they were in days gone by. I’ve gone all in on them these days, the feedback from sonarlint in the IDE is usually useful.

Last I checked, configuring stuff in SonarQube still involves fiddling with the UI instead of config files. And you need to host it somewhere.

Re: Leaving Haskell behind

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Post by revskill »

Tainnor wrote: post #23
pyrale wrote: post #20

As someone that has also written haskell for about a decade and moved away from it as a breadwinner recently (but for other reasons - I simply wanted to filter job offerings based on social utility rather than language stacks), I definitely agree with the author's first point: the Haskell community values learning extremely strongly. That's great because you work with curious people that have always something to teac…

I've also used several languages and IMHO, Haskell's tooling is some of the worst. Language server breaks with random errors all the time for me, I'm always confused about whether I should have ghcup or stack manage my Haskell versions (and what the benefits and drawbacks are), and so on. I have a project I work on from time to time, and I'm 100% sure that the next time I'll open it up, it will stop working again. Py…

Not quite. I'm not sure about how Ruby with Bundler related to each other.

Recently, i upgraded Ruby, but then what's to do about Bundler then ? I'm confused.

Re: Leaving Haskell behind

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Post by alex_smart »

pyrale wrote: post #20

As someone that has also written haskell for about a decade and moved away from it as a breadwinner recently (but for other reasons - I simply wanted to filter job offerings based on social utility rather than language stacks), I definitely agree with the author's first point: the Haskell community values learning extremely strongly. That's great because you work with curious people that have always something to teac…

What is wrong with Java's tooling?

Re: Leaving Haskell behind

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Post by [deleted] »

Tainnor wrote: post #47
CraigJPerry wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re looking for alternatives, SonarQube has jumped quite far in the last few releases. I like the coherence of the platform now and i find the default gates aren’t oppressive like they were in days gone by. I’ve gone all in on them these days, the feedback from sonarlint in the IDE is usually useful.

Last I checked, configuring stuff in SonarQube still involves fiddling with the UI instead of config files. And you need to host it somewhere.

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