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Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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> I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. Using banter for high-stress situations is quite a British thing. There's a story I was told about British troops during WWII in wet rat ridden trenches, cold and low on rations, having banter to keep mor…

> Using banter for high-stress situations is quite a British thing. can depth crush rape list be categorised as banter?

> can depth crush rape list be categorised as banter?

I imagine from your perspective there is never an acceptable time when such things can be thought, let alone uttered. I understand this, but it's only afforded to idealists.

There is a different perspective where you have a large group of people that are experiencing a mixture of extreme emotions (fear, loneliness, anger, regret, etc) and are unable to express them. Sometimes the more extreme the situation, the more extreme the distraction needed.

When I was discussing eating my friends - there was no serious plan in place. We had zero intentions of eating each other, and we had never before or never will eat another human (depending on how food inflation goes /s). It was an extreme distraction that broke the ice in a high-stress environment that just got everybody talking. It kept morale up, it did its job.

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This 2012 article mentions that the Royal Navy might have female submariners "next year". It happened in 2014: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/female-submariners-make-h... And here's the next article I found on the subject, from last year, looks like it's not going so well: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.opindia.com/2022/11/women-o...

Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…

> I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place

Uh, unless you're in the habit of saying things like "I want to rape her, her and her, lol", it's really not anything to be stressed about.

If you make an innocent mistake, someone may tell you about it and you get to learn something. That's it.

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> I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. As a male, I can assure you that the types of comments that you think “pass without thought” isn't considered desirable by all of your fellow male colleagues either. Sure they won't necessarily complaint…

> As a male, I can assure you that the types of comments that you think “pass without thought” isn't considered desirable by all of your fellow male colleagues either. Sure they won't necessarily complaint about it publicly, but they'll still see you in a negative way. You seem to have missed his point. It isn't whether his comments are considered desirable. He doesn't care, and neither do I. It is whether comments a…

The idea that the receiver is the sole interpreter and judge of intent is in my opinion unfair and unreasonable. The receiver can interpret utterance in a great many ways to which only imagination is the limit.

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Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…

> I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. Using banter for high-stress situations is quite a British thing. There's a story I was told about British troops during WWII in wet rat ridden trenches, cold and low on rations, having banter to keep mor…

>Using banter for high-stress situations is quite a British thing. There's a story I was told about British troops during WWII in wet rat ridden trenches, cold and low on rations, having banter to keep morale high - much to the Americans surprise.

I've been reading and watching videos on European cultures. Many say in European cultures small talk is not a thing. I know UK is not Europe in that sense but are geographically. Things like the "German stare" where they don't talk but stare at people. But actually now that I think about it supposedly on UK subways talking is taboo. Someone from the US or Canada would be trying to make small talk in lines/queues for anything.

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>The watch officer and sonar operators are discussing an important philosophical question: would it be more painful to be struck by a whole tuna or a tin of tuna? Of course the tin of tuna would hurt more. And, I know this is not the question, but being hit by a can of tuna is more probable haha. But jokes aside, it seems all the monotony does get to them. And such discussions are necessary to maintain ones sanity. I…

You must mean a small tuna. A bluefin weighs up to 250kg / 550lb according to a quick search. Then again, if that hits you hard enough, it won’t hurt at all

Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. Using banter for high-stress situations is quite a British thing. There's a story I was told about British troops during WWII in wet rat ridden trenches, cold and low on rations, having banter to keep mor…

> Using banter for high-stress situations is quite a British thing. can depth crush rape list be categorised as banter?

If you can't print it in polite company, that's how you know it's good banter.

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>The watch officer and sonar operators are discussing an important philosophical question: would it be more painful to be struck by a whole tuna or a tin of tuna? Of course the tin of tuna would hurt more. And, I know this is not the question, but being hit by a can of tuna is more probable haha. But jokes aside, it seems all the monotony does get to them. And such discussions are necessary to maintain ones sanity. I…

You must mean a small tuna. A bluefin weighs up to 250kg / 550lb according to a quick search. Then again, if that hits you hard enough, it won’t hurt at all

That's the point.. the whole tuna will most likely send you to eternal sleep

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The dynamic is completely different in mixed company. It used to be common for men and women to attend different universities. In fact, learning outcomes tend to be better in single sex education [0] and its not really surprising - everyone is more productive and focused. What’s surprising is how we don't realize the effectiveness of single sex education despite research, common sense, and tradition all pointing towa…

> In fact, learning outcomes tend to be better in single sex education What about quality of socialisation, and how they fare later in life in terms of relationships

As a graduate of an all-male school, I think the issue you raise is the right one. Our education was second to none, but many years later we openly joke about the social adjustment we went through in college (and later) to compensate for having been in that environment in our formative years

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This 2012 article mentions that the Royal Navy might have female submariners "next year". It happened in 2014: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/female-submariners-make-h... And here's the next article I found on the subject, from last year, looks like it's not going so well: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.opindia.com/2022/11/women-o...

Just in case anyone else hasn't heard of "Opindia" before (the second link): > OpIndia is an Indian right-wing news website that frequently publishes misinformation. Founded in December 2014, the website has published fake news and Islamophobic commentary on many occasions. OpIndia is dedicated to criticism of what it considers "liberal media", and to support of the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Hindutva ideology.…

So you are telling the facts described in the article didn't actually happen? The female officer complaining about abuse is a fiction?

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A friend of mine once described his submerged time on a submarine as “like prison, but without the possibility of escape.”

I think about that sort of description when people talk about colonizing space, or mars or the moon. Would it even be ethical to bear children on such a colony who, not by choice, would have to live their lives confined to a cramped habitat that would probably feel a lot like living in a submarine?

At least on a spaceship you have portholes, and ocasionally could even do EVA. And probably it is far easier to ensure the integrity of a hull designed to keep an 1 atm pressure differential than at 14
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