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Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by hardwaresofton »

FullMetalBitch wrote: post #78
hardwaresofton wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did, Discourse is basically just a plain old forum -- with a somewhat newer coat of paint. > Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services? I'm a bit biased (since I run a tiny managed service provider) -- would you create a forum if it had one click setup? Services like Discourse and NodeBB do offer this kind of service, so it seems like the option is there.

I have been in forums my whole life and discord is far from them, discord is just a chat akin to irc. Forums and IRC worked together very well, when I was moderating a huge gaming community we had several IRC channels for those who wanted live participation. It's impossible to follow a discussion in discord because when you arrive it may be over and they are talking about something else, that doesn't happen in a foru…

I fully agree with you (and IMO it's just as bad with Slack which people love to use in corporate contexts), see my comment here[0].

I think you may have misread my earlier comment, it says "Discourse" (as in the forum software[1]), not Discord.

[0]: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37245220

[1]: https://discourse.org

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by seanhunter »

RaisingSpear wrote: post #61
seanhunter wrote: post #34

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Goodness knows you can validly critise discord for any number of reasons but the time taken to log in on an untrusted device isn't really one that resonates with me. I have done this recently and the process took all of 5 seconds. Here's the process if you have a phone and want to do it fast: 1. Click login on discord on the untrusted device. It shows a qr code next to the credentials box. 2. Log in on phone (which f…

Good to know. I refuse to let a bunch of things touch my phone (Discord doesn't exactly have a stellar privacy record), so have never tried, but for those that don't care so much about privacy, it sounds reasonable. But hopefully you can at least understand how unnecessarily convoluted Discord makes the process if you don't have or want to use a phone.

So if you choose not to do the thing that is designed to make the process simple then the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device. I don't really see it as unnecessarily convoluted, but even if it was, you inflicted that on yourself did you not?

I care a lot about privacy and for me personally, logging in to discord on my own phone in order to log in on seamlessly on an untrusted device seems less bad than logging in to some arbitrary system using my actual creds. The latter combines any threat from discord with threats from password sniffing either while I'm getting creds to the device or on the device itself.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by seanhunter »

FullMetalBitch wrote: post #78
hardwaresofton wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They did, Discourse is basically just a plain old forum -- with a somewhat newer coat of paint. > Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services? I'm a bit biased (since I run a tiny managed service provider) -- would you create a forum if it had one click setup? Services like Discourse and NodeBB do offer this kind of service, so it seems like the option is there.

I have been in forums my whole life and discord is far from them, discord is just a chat akin to irc. Forums and IRC worked together very well, when I was moderating a huge gaming community we had several IRC channels for those who wanted live participation. It's impossible to follow a discussion in discord because when you arrive it may be over and they are talking about something else, that doesn't happen in a foru…

Discourse != Discord. He said Discourse.

Discourse: https://www.discourse.org/ Discord: https://discord.com/ <- a modern-looking chat thing

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by throwaway14356 »

deprecative wrote: post #71
edejong wrote: post #64

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It’s it interesting how many meaningful conversations we’ve all had on IRC, lacking all those essential features you mention?

IRC is dead in any meaningful way, though. It's a decent technology that's lost to services with all those essential features. We also used to have great conversations while riding bikes with our friends when we were kids. Does that mean employers would be served to hold all of their meetings on bikes?

irc has 2 killer features: 1) it takes some effort to get and stay on. web chatters leave pretty fast. 2) people leave for digital prisons.

the freenode exodus was great, there was no discussion, nothing to explain.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by veave »

hardwaresofton wrote: post #51
raincole wrote: post #35

I don't know why people just can't use plain old forums. I've got a lot help from KVR (a forum for music making) since I started learning DAW. It works fine. If authentication is a problem then just let users login with their discord/twitter/reddit accounts? Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services?

They did, Discourse is basically just a plain old forum -- with a somewhat newer coat of paint. > Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services? I'm a bit biased (since I run a tiny managed service provider) -- would you create a forum if it had one click setup? Services like Discourse and NodeBB do offer this kind of service, so it seems like the option is there.

>They did, Discourse is basically just a plain old forum -- with a somewhat newer coat of paint.

Compared to traditional forum systems such as vbulletin or ipboard, discourse is a pain in the ass to use.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by satvikpendem »

edejong wrote: post #64
judge2020 wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

a Discord guild is a poor man's IRC server.. that natively supports emojis, stickers, embeds, non-ip-leaking voice chat, screenshare with audio, rich permissions, avatars, attachments oh, and chat history. Because everyone loves needing an irc bouncer to be able to assimilate the context of the active conversation when they log in.

It’s it interesting how many meaningful conversations we’ve all had on IRC, lacking all those essential features you mention?

It's interesting how many meaningful conversations I've had over email too, the medium doesn't matter, but it doesn't mean the features aren't useful.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by veave »

>Once Loris was the sole moderator, he decided to change the subreddit to read-only mode. However, this was thwarted today when a troll (check their comment history) performed a hostile takeover in broad daylight and reopened the sub.

I would say you are the troll for closing a programming language sub for ideological reasons.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by RaisingSpear »

seanhunter wrote: post #82
RaisingSpear wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good to know. I refuse to let a bunch of things touch my phone (Discord doesn't exactly have a stellar privacy record), so have never tried, but for those that don't care so much about privacy, it sounds reasonable. But hopefully you can at least understand how unnecessarily convoluted Discord makes the process if you don't have or want to use a phone.

So if you choose not to do the thing that is designed to make the process simple then the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device. I don't really see it as unnecessarily convoluted, but even if it was, you inflicted that on yourself did you not? I care a lot about privacy and for me personally, logging in to discord on my own phone in order…

> the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device

This is not my experience. Logging into Reddit/Twitter/Hacker News etc is nowhere near that level of convoluted.

> you inflicted that on yourself did you not?

That's like stating that an assault victim is inflicting damage on themselves by choosing not to comply with their assailant. Okay, perhaps not the best analogy, but hopefully you get the point.

But no, I don't want to login at all. However Discord decided that I must, if I want to access info, and Discord imposed this procedure onto me, unless I comply with their (what I consider to be unreasonable) dance.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Post by seanhunter »

RaisingSpear wrote: post #89
seanhunter wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So if you choose not to do the thing that is designed to make the process simple then the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device. I don't really see it as unnecessarily convoluted, but even if it was, you inflicted that on yourself did you not? I care a lot about privacy and for me personally, logging in to discord on my own phone in order…

> the process is exactly the same as it is for me on just about any other site/system when I log in on an untrusted device This is not my experience. Logging into Reddit/Twitter/Hacker News etc is nowhere near that level of convoluted. > you inflicted that on yourself did you not? That's like stating that an assault victim is inflicting damage on themselves by choosing not to comply with their assailant. Okay, perhap…

I don't buy your analogy as being at all equivalent. You literally had two choices, chose the hard option and then complained that it was hard.

I totally understand making a tradeoff if you think that it preserves privacy (which I don't agree with as I explained above) but I don't think it's reasonable to do that and then complain about it.

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