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Princeton ‘AI Snake Oil’ authors say GenAI hype has ‘spiraled out of control’

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Re: Princeton ‘AI Snake Oil’ authors say GenAI hype has ‘spiraled out of control’

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I have stopped using the "snake oil" epithet, because I found out an interesting background on that. Oils derived from various snakes in the desert were found to be effective treatments and remedies for various things by the Native American population, and therefore widely used by certain tribes. Once the White Man caught wind of this, he capitalized on its reputation, and a booming business of scams bloomed anywhere…

C/F "goanna oil" Australia. Still made. Nowadays, eucalyptus oil, pine oil, peppermint oil, camphor, menthol and turpentine.

https://ourstory.moretonbay.qld.gov.au/nodes/view/38026

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I have stopped using the "snake oil" epithet, because I found out an interesting background on that. Oils derived from various snakes in the desert were found to be effective treatments and remedies for various things by the Native American population, and therefore widely used by certain tribes. Once the White Man caught wind of this, he capitalized on its reputation, and a booming business of scams bloomed anywhere…

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I have stopped using the "snake oil" epithet, because I found out an interesting background on that. Oils derived from various snakes in the desert were found to be effective treatments and remedies for various things by the Native American population, and therefore widely used by certain tribes. Once the White Man caught wind of this, he capitalized on its reputation, and a booming business of scams bloomed anywhere…

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Doesn't matter. If governments blunder this and try to enforce copyrights in AI, then we are all going to be using Chinese AI in 5 years instead of Google because they don't give a damn about copyright.

CCP already created its own regulation rules for AI.

And what does it say about copyright? Genuinely curious.

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Great to read this back-to-back with the takedown on the GAN image generation offering also on HN.

The point of most critiques/polemics on AI Snake oil isn't on effectiveness of AI in context. It's about mis-application, belief its AGI, belief the answers are right, and belief it has no downsides. It's often mis-applied, It's absolutely not, and not even on the road to AGI, the answers are not always right, and it has massive social downsides, employment included.

It has upsides, sure. It's not the job of snake oil warners to catalog the good, they're pointing out the abysmally bad, in the current AI hype-wave.

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I'm routinely using LLMs in place of search engines. Would you rather type in a cocktail and instantly get a recipe? or do you want to open google, scroll past 50 ads, click through a bunch of blogspam that gives you the history of cocktails, the prohibition, the chemical formula for ethanol and their life story, followed by a recipe that was itself generated by a substandard AI model anyway edit: I'm prepared for th…

I prefer search engines because I can look through multiple sources. LLMs just give an answer without context or what alternatives might be. They make it difficult to judge to validity of the response.

perplexity.ai usually gives 4-6 sources that you can validate the response with.

As far as I can tell, it performs a search and then feeds the full text of the search results to an LLM and present a summary with citations.

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CCP already created its own regulation rules for AI.

And what does it say about copyright? Genuinely curious.

internet articles say something about copyright protection, but more important part is that AI has two promote core values of socialism and avoid statement criticizing Chinese government.

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If you pay for search you get some of those benefits already

Sincere question: what paid search do you have in mind? How conceptually could a paid search engine solve the problem of SEO and spam? (Curation seems economically infeasible?) Is what you're actually proposing ad-free search results? (I'd be willing to pay Google approximately $0.01 per search for this. I suspect this is probably more than they get from anything but the most expensive ads (pharma ads that confused o…

Kagi https://kagi.com/ is the paid search I've tried. It's was decent, but not a noticeable enough improvement to win me over as a customer.

OTOH, I am a paying ChatGPT Plus user and there are some days where I feel like I get my monthly subscription price's worth in a single day.

In terms of summarization, this study Anyscale just published is interesting - llama2-70b gets within a hairsbreadth of gpt-4/human scores for summarization, so it's conceivable that sometime soon, you might be able to run a local LLM on your browser and get decent results (4-bit quants of llama2-70b currently take about 40GB of memory, you need at least 2 x 24GB or 1 x 48GB GPU to run them at reasonable speeds atm): https://www.anyscale.com/blog/llama-2-is-about-as-factually-...

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Great to read this back-to-back with the takedown on the GAN image generation offering also on HN. The point of most critiques/polemics on AI Snake oil isn't on effectiveness of AI in context. It's about mis-application, belief its AGI, belief the answers are right, and belief it has no downsides. It's often mis-applied, It's absolutely not, and not even on the road to AGI, the answers are not always right, and it ha…

Crazy thing is that intelligence doesn't mean you get the right answer. Humans get the answer right fewer times than AI.

It's absolutely not AGI, but it's not "not the road to AGI". Every step forward could be the road to AGI.

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If blockchain did fulfill the claims of it revolutionizing the world of finance, it's still unlikely your kids would have become obsessed and regular users of it. If room temperature and pressure superconducting or nuclear fusion became viable, your kids might also be unlikely to play around with them on their own. Kids apparently love Roblox and most adults think the metaverse is dead. What kids like seems pretty or…

Point taken, but how about these: - My mom cant figure out Blockchain either - My sister (doctor) and brother (3 degrees) cant figure out Blockchain either, because they are too afraid of scanning the wrong QR code and having their balance drained My mom, sister, and brother all use ChatGPT. My brother uses it actively for work.

You can dig deeper.... what exactly are the real-world applications of an immutable transaction ledger? I can't think of very many. Let alone a bunch of kids.
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