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Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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And you clearly want to carry 3000+ EUR in your pocket than paying by card? Europe is safe, but I will definitely not walk around with that much cash on my person.

It's not a problem. I regularly pay for four-figure items in cash. Lots of places offer cash discounts at that price point (no CC fees or risk of chargeback). I paid a doctor $5000 in cash once. The first time, it feels a little odd, but then you realize that nobody at the bank bats an eye at you withdrawing a few grand, and $3k in 100s is about the size of a phone in your pocket. Since nobody carries cash, nobody th…

This post is hysterical. Where and why did you pay a doctor 5k (I assume USD/EUR)? Any one from a highly advanced democracy is laughing to themself about paying so much for medical care. I can only assume US or expat in undeveloped country.

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A stolen credit card isn't any different.

You are paying a mechanic face to face with a stolen credit card? Man, this whole string of posts has become utterly farcical.

I’m confused. You’re under the impression people don’t use stolen cards face to face? The sibling commented about AC service being charged to his stolen card. A credit card is easier to use than a bad check. I’ve never seen anyone take a check without ID.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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What about clawbacks? If someone uses a stolen account to pay me, can that bank get the money back after I've sold the goods?

Any highly advanced economy: yes, there will be fraud protection built into the system. Do you live in a place where this is not true?

And that’s the point. If I sell you my used car and find out you paid with stolen funds, I’m not going to get cash clawed back, where I could realistically be out my car and money if someone used a digital payment.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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What country do you live in? For many highly developed democracies, this is normal and not scary.

Currently the US, but formerly Australia, Ireland, Scotland, Germany and Canada. I've never had to register my address anywhere unless I have a drivers license.

> Germany

You broke the law if you were a resident of Germany and didn't register yourself.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Frustrating to see more laws like this that can readily throw a wrench in the day to day lives of regular working people, when money laundering and tax evasion at a scale multiple orders of magnitude larger than this is so shamelessly visible in the form of nine-figure real estate transactions, art auctions, and Caymans-based shell corporations.

How does one launder money with a real estate or art transaction? Say I've sold a great amount of cocaine and now have 5 million euro in banknotes sitting in my safe at home. How do I launder this money and make it 'legitimate' using those methods?

You buy a house with the cash (private transaction) and then sell the house in a year.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Currently the US, but formerly Australia, Ireland, Scotland, Germany and Canada. I've never had to register my address anywhere unless I have a drivers license.

> Germany You broke the law if you were a resident of Germany and didn't register yourself.

Well, that sucks. Then again, shitty laws don't deserve to be followed.

You think Europe would have learned a thing or two from WW2 and what was going down on the continent. I guess some behaviors are just too culturally ingrained.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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At least in NL there is no such thing as a 5 day hold on a transfer. Typically these are instant, at worst next business day, and if you use something like "payment request" or "tikkie" all it involves is sending the buyer a link or posting a QR code somewhere to allow them to send money directly, instantly, to your account. No chance of making errors in the bank nr, you can pre-specify the required amount in the req…

How about handling a large transaction without internet access? Say you want to transact in the middle of space. What now? Wait until you get back to some connection? As silly as it sounds, this system is not scalable.

The fact that it does not scale into a far far future where more than 0.00000000125% of the humans is in orbit/space does not mean that it is not a good system for today & the upcoming decades.

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Like taxes are fair... You have the freelancers and small business struggling badly in my country, yet the goverment spends millions on nonsensical programs.

But tax avoidance/evasion is not a solution to that problem.

There is nothing wrong with tax avoidance(which is not illegal). I minimize the amount of taxes I pay, like 99% of people do.

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I don’t know much about Norway, but how would you transact during a natural disaster when power or network services are down for an extended period of time? Centralized digital payments fail here as well.

LOL. I love these kinds of posts. Ok smarty pants, you like cash. You have none in your wallet during a natural disaster. You need to buy emergency supplies. The ATM does not work. Now what? Please do not reply to this post saying that you are a "prepper".

How much nonsense is this? Is it so hard to think ahead and go to the ATM before the disaster hits? There are various types of disasters you know, some you see coming for weeks. Many people also keep cash on hand.

All you’ve shown is you have a delayed reaction, and claim preparing for a disaster is a bad thing. I mean think about that for a second.

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