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So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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post #12

Lemmy has been surprisingly good as a Reddit replacement given the relative user counts. With 3rd party apps like Sync already migrated, you'd almost not even know you weren't just on Reddit.

Lemmy experience is quite satisfying. Took a moment to get used to the fediverse especially with multiple duplicate communities. Yet find myself doomscrolling much less and being more satisfied than Reddit. Still a small community though…

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#32
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Simple--because user authentication and management sucks ass. So, everyone is willing to put up with a wildly incorrect feature set simply to have someone else deal with lost passwords, spam, fraud, etc.

Okta, Keycloak, Auth0, Kinde, FusionAuth, Firebase, Cognito, Clerk - User auth does suck ass and it’s been solved time and time and time again. Don’t be lazy.

In what way do those solve "have someone else deal with lost passwords, spam, fraud, etc."?

The technical authentication is the easy part. It's dealing with the humans that is the hard part.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#33
Really happy to see this. We all moved to these centralized platforms because they were convenient and benign. But we could all go back to smaller independent forums if we really wanted to. And if you run a project that people want to find, there is virtually no downside to self hosting a forum for the community.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#34

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon Discord was enshittified years ago. It's just that nothing really changed recently, unlike Twitter/Reddit, so it's not making the news. You've got a platform that's completely inaccessible without an account. Acquiring an account often requires handing over a mobile number. And Discord can then ban you arbitrarily, despite never post…

Goodness knows you can validly critise discord for any number of reasons but the time taken to log in on an untrusted device isn't really one that resonates with me. I have done this recently and the process took all of 5 seconds.

Here's the process if you have a phone and want to do it fast:

1. Click login on discord on the untrusted device. It shows a qr code next to the credentials box.

2. Log in on phone (which for me is just a faceid check).

3. Scan qr code. Now you're logged in on the untrusted device.

No captcha, no username/password typing on the untrusted device, no second factor even (because your phone is logged in using 2FA so you're using that trust) and definitely no email verification.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#35
I don't know why people just can't use plain old forums. I've got a lot help from KVR (a forum for music making) since I started learning DAW. It works fine.

If authentication is a problem then just let users login with their discord/twitter/reddit accounts?

Is it the lacking of "one-click setup" forum services?

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#36
post #6

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon, so we should be on the lookout for an alternative over the next five years. Discord's fine for what it is, but it's also a fundamentally different thing than social media or forums or a support-site. Projects that try to funnel everything onto Discord are (a) losing anyone who thinks joining an 800 person chatroom doesn't sound fun,…

Discord is not a social platform. It's a chatroom for gamers, to share memes and voice chat while they play . It's not a base for documentation. It's not a platform for your next product (other than a bot..) launch. It's poorly designed for searching, for knowledge, for connecting. It's 2020s version of ICQ.

Part of the reason Discord falls short as a social platform is that each community is siloed off from the rest. There is no continuity bridging the overarching platform and userbase. I feel like for a social platform to work, the platform itself should be a community and the users should be able to carve out their own slice within that.

I've been working on a platform that blends social features from Discord with the discoverability of Reddit. What we're building is intentionally not just another Reddit or Discord clone. We're trying to create an all-in-one place for people to create communities first and foremost and not just posts/chat messages.

https://sociables.com/

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#37
post #6

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon, so we should be on the lookout for an alternative over the next five years. Discord's fine for what it is, but it's also a fundamentally different thing than social media or forums or a support-site. Projects that try to funnel everything onto Discord are (a) losing anyone who thinks joining an 800 person chatroom doesn't sound fun,…

Discord is not a social platform. It's a chatroom for gamers, to share memes and voice chat while they play . It's not a base for documentation. It's not a platform for your next product (other than a bot..) launch. It's poorly designed for searching, for knowledge, for connecting. It's 2020s version of ICQ.

I find it utterly insufferable. I, a very technically capable person, really struggle with using Discord. I can’t help but feel that people that misuse Discord in this way are doing it from a place from extreme ignorance and hubris. It is so blatantly not intended or appropriate for what a bunch of people use it for. The only thing it has going for it is that the person setting up the community knows how to use it. It is utterly inscrutable from the perspective of an outsider, trying to look past all the stuff that is at the very least using gamer jargon, if not functionally built explicitly for gamers in a way that is not useful for others.

REALLY cynically, I think that Discord has a feature set that the admin / moderator / power user functionality of Discord gets a particular sort of controlling “community manager” very excited. They can have their bots and username colours and whatever else set up just the way they like them, usually in a way that people don’t really care about. A means of a power-seeker to tinker around with community dynamics in a way that is far from having an in-person analogue.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#38
It's not really possible to use Twitter without at least a little bit of doomscrolling, and that activity took a toll on me emotionally.

Doomscrolling or doomsurfing is the act of spending an excessive amount of time reading large quantities of negative news online.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doomscrolling

I don't think I do this -- at least not anymore. Tweets are short. If you don't want to click into the horrifying article linked or whatever, you don't have to.

You may not be able to use the platform formerly known as Twitter without scrolling through a fair number of Tweets with negative framing, but it's a bit like seeing a bunch of negative titles and you can just go "Well, not my cup of tea. Not going down that rabbit hole."

It's maybe something I did when I didn't feel well and couldn't focus or whatever. It's low-hanging fruit when I have no energy nor attention span. But even with that, I've gotten better over time at recognizing when I feel awful and I'm inclined to do stupid stuff online and instead of wallowing in the mire, I try to play games that are "my speed" for such times, "productively piddle," or watch music videos.

I try really hard to not just wallow in my bad mood and let it grow into something more in my mind than "Well, Doreen is sick and tired today and everything sounds bad because of it."

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#40
post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Okta, Keycloak, Auth0, Kinde, FusionAuth, Firebase, Cognito, Clerk - User auth does suck ass and it’s been solved time and time and time again. Don’t be lazy.

In what way do those solve "have someone else deal with lost passwords, spam, fraud, etc."? The technical authentication is the easy part. It's dealing with the humans that is the hard part.

Okta is a SaaS offering that does that. Maybe not fraud. What is fraud in this context? Spam? Check. Lost passwords? Check. Let someone else deal with auth? Check.

All of those are either services or software you can host yourself that provide auth and user management, OTPs, 2FA, email recovery, forgotten passwords, single-sign on, and more.

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