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So Long, Twitter and Reddit

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Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#22
> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon

Discord was enshittified years ago. It's just that nothing really changed recently, unlike Twitter/Reddit, so it's not making the news.

You've got a platform that's completely inaccessible without an account. Acquiring an account often requires handing over a mobile number. And Discord can then ban you arbitrarily, despite never posting a single message (the one saving grace is that you can email them about it, and they'll often restore the brand new account, if you don't mind the weeks worth of waiting).

And that doesn't cover the five minute rigamarole of logging in (enter user/pass, fill in captcha, get told that this is an unrecognised IP/device, wait for email to arrive, open Discord email, click on link*, click Authorize, fill in user/pass again, solve captcha) - why do I have to do this just to view content?

* Bonus: the link has like a ~5 minute expiry, so you can't just go and do something else during the process, or you'll have to start over from the beginning

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#23
post #6

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon, so we should be on the lookout for an alternative over the next five years. Discord's fine for what it is, but it's also a fundamentally different thing than social media or forums or a support-site. Projects that try to funnel everything onto Discord are (a) losing anyone who thinks joining an 800 person chatroom doesn't sound fun,…

Discord is not a social platform. It's a chatroom for gamers, to share memes and voice chat while they play . It's not a base for documentation. It's not a platform for your next product (other than a bot..) launch. It's poorly designed for searching, for knowledge, for connecting. It's 2020s version of ICQ.

And yet, the new generation is (mis)using it for collaboration purposes, without realizing everything they're losing in the process.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#24

Use twitter and reddit to promote your blog.

As Andrew mentions in the post, even having a Twitter account was a source of stress. It's about more than just promoting his content.

It's a feeling I can sympathize with. In 2009 I deleted my Facebook account (or "deactivated" it, the only option at the time), and even though I wasn't using it much by then, it felt like a needless weight was suddenly lifted.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#26
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Discord is not a social platform. It's a chatroom for gamers, to share memes and voice chat while they play . It's not a base for documentation. It's not a platform for your next product (other than a bot..) launch. It's poorly designed for searching, for knowledge, for connecting. It's 2020s version of ICQ.

And yet, the new generation is (mis)using it for collaboration purposes, without realizing everything they're losing in the process.

When you want your friends to try your app but you end up with a whole support system inside discord, that’s how it happens. You’re hanging with your friends playing games, you show them that side project you’ve been working on, they all love it and it grows into a shit show of channels, rules, bots, response emoji’s to indicate intent, merging with other servers, with a whole new set of rules, channels, bots, mods.

It’s unprofessional. AI tools that rely on Discord as their delivery, unprofessional. Possibly even down right illegal. Not the act of using a bot, but what service they offer through that bot.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#27
Doomscrolling hits some sort of dopamine receptor for some sort of evolutionary reason. But I know now, in 2023, that whatever components in my brain that are being manipulated, the reason has nothing to do with my survival. And for me really it's that feeling of manipulation I resent most. Often the manipulation is indirect which is arguably the more insidious aspect. The people we follow may not be trying to consciously manipulate us but some content they saw was -- and probably for a reason completely misaligned with whatever we like to think our values are.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#28
post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I never understood how so many people - seemingly everyone - all came to the conclusion that Discord is all these things that it clearly isn’t.

Simple--because user authentication and management sucks ass. So, everyone is willing to put up with a wildly incorrect feature set simply to have someone else deal with lost passwords, spam, fraud, etc.

Okta, Keycloak, Auth0, Kinde, FusionAuth, Firebase, Cognito, Clerk - User auth does suck ass and it’s been solved time and time and time again. Don’t be lazy.

Re: So Long, Twitter and Reddit

#30
post #6

> Discord has been decent for a while. I suspect enshittification will commence soon, so we should be on the lookout for an alternative over the next five years. Discord's fine for what it is, but it's also a fundamentally different thing than social media or forums or a support-site. Projects that try to funnel everything onto Discord are (a) losing anyone who thinks joining an 800 person chatroom doesn't sound fun,…

One way that Discord is similar to Reddit (and, imo, a reason for it's relative success) is that it operates on the same authorization model. A single pseudonymous account gets you access to many disparate communities. In either case, once you have an account the activation energy needed to join that subreddit/server is very low.
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