A friend of mine once described his submerged time on a submarine as “like prison, but without the possibility of escape.”
Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)
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Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…
Or you just shut off the lizard brain and don’t think about your coworkers that way.
It has nothing to do with lizard brain whatsoever. If for some reason I had to take disciplinary action against one of those women and I had good and legitimate reason to do so then I would be at risk of retribution. The chances of me being believed would be negligible.
I have always been courteous to coworkers, especially women.
Your comment has just validified my point about today's politics. Decades ago no one would have thought in those terms let alone wrongly accused someone of them.
Just for clarification's sake, when I mentioned I'd be worried about accidentally saying something out of place I wasn't referring to me making sexual innuendos but rather that these days innocent comment is so easily assumed to be offensive or taken the wrong way.
It's why so many of us now simply say nothing, as it's safer to do so. Your hair-trigger assumption again proves my point.
Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…
This comment says more about you than the work environment.
Read my reply to Angostura.
Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)
#54The BBC did a documentary in the 1980s on the submarine commander selection process. It is called "The Perisher" with good reason. I can only find Part 1 on YT but have definitely seen the whole thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1LF2I3fTbY
YouTube suggests this as part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5AW0enIRA
Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)
#55The BBC did a documentary in the 1980s on the submarine commander selection process. It is called "The Perisher" with good reason. I can only find Part 1 on YT but have definitely seen the whole thing. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1LF2I3fTbY
YouTube suggests this as part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fL5AW0enIRA
I don't think it is the same series. The Perisher series focused almost exclusively on the candidates and The Teacher.
Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)
#56Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or you just shut off the lizard brain and don’t think about your coworkers that way.
It has nothing to do with lizard brain whatsoever. If for some reason I had to take disciplinary action against one of those women and I had good and legitimate reason to do so then I would be at risk of retribution. The chances of me being believed would be negligible. I have always been courteous to coworkers, especially women. Your comment has just validified my point about today's politics. Decades ago no one wou…
Better to say nothing and risk being thought a lizard brain than to say "A group of males locked up and isolated without sex for three months but still in the tempting presence of women isn't natural", and remove all doubt.
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#57Earlier quoted context omitted.
> I don't think Putin is insane. If he were we'd all be dead by now. How do you know the next leader of Russia will also be rational? Or the leaders of all other nuclear armed nations that may retaliate against Russia's "rational" actions? > Also: Suicidal people don't go to lengths to murder former threats to make a point, like he did today with the Wagner Group leadership. If your days are numbered the consequences…
> How do you know the next leader of Russia will also be rational? How do you know the next leader of the US will be? It's not like people get elected to the position, or appoint their subordinates based on their rationality . That's the beauty of sovereign countries with enough nuclear weapons to kill the world, you don't. Maybe we should look into this bilateral arms reduction thing.
Bilateral, you say?
SIPRI (Stockholm International Peace Research Institute): Countries with an increase in stockpiled nuclear warheads from Jan 2022 to Jan 2023:
China: +60
Russia: +12
Pakistan: +5
North Korea: +5
India: +4
https://www.statista.com/chart/30173/the-countries-expanding...
Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)
#58This 2012 article mentions that the Royal Navy might have female submariners "next year". It happened in 2014: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/female-submariners-make-h... And here's the next article I found on the subject, from last year, looks like it's not going so well: https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.opindia.com/2022/11/women-o...
Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…
The dynamic is completely different in mixed company. It used to be common for men and women to attend different universities. In fact, learning outcomes tend to be better in single sex education [0] and its not really surprising - everyone is more productive and focused. What’s surprising is how we don't realize the effectiveness of single sex education despite research, common sense, and tradition all pointing towards its effectiveness.
Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)
#59Earlier quoted context omitted.
Or you just shut off the lizard brain and don’t think about your coworkers that way.
It has nothing to do with lizard brain whatsoever. If for some reason I had to take disciplinary action against one of those women and I had good and legitimate reason to do so then I would be at risk of retribution. The chances of me being believed would be negligible. I have always been courteous to coworkers, especially women. Your comment has just validified my point about today's politics. Decades ago no one wou…
>If for some reason I had to take disciplinary action against one of those women and I had good and legitimate reason to do so then I would be at risk of retribution.
Tell me you don't have military experience without telling me you don't have military experience.
This statement is patently absurd.
Re: Life on board a British nuclear submarine (2012)
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
Years ago I did a bit of speleology so I'm not afraid of confined spaces but as a male I'd be scared to spend time on a submarine in cramped conditions and in mixed company. I reckon I'd be under constant stress in case I accidentally said something out of place unlike in all-male work environments I've worked in the past where banter and certain types of comment pass without thought. The nature and politics of the t…
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Where does he say that?