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How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Post by archagon »

nonethewiser wrote: post #18
rob74 wrote: post #8

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I haven't listened to the song, but if it alludes to politicians and pedophilia, that's a QAnon reference, which would put it firmly on one side of the political spectrum...

> I haven't listened to the song, but if it alludes to politicians and pedophilia, that's a QAnon reference You need to re-examine your biases then because Jeffrey Epstein is (or was) very real. If QAnon are the only ones talking about the problem of pedophilia in politics then you should be more like QAnon in this regard.

Definitely do not be like QAnon in any regard.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Post by Turing_Machine »

mempko wrote: post #47
Turing_Machine wrote: post #37

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> Historically, those supporting the king were on his right, and those opposing him on his left. Kings typically didn't allow their opposition a seat at the table. Where the right wing/left wing thing actually came from was a seating arrangement in the French Parliament during the French Revolution (in this case it was the King who didn't have a seat at the table). It only made sense for a short time even then. It wa…

Which libertarians, American or other? Very different.

Doesn't matter. Any reasonable definition of "libertarian" is going to exclude Nazis.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Post by Turing_Machine »

orwin wrote: post #51
Turing_Machine wrote: post #37

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Historically, those supporting the king were on his right, and those opposing him on his left. Kings typically didn't allow their opposition a seat at the table. Where the right wing/left wing thing actually came from was a seating arrangement in the French Parliament during the French Revolution (in this case it was the King who didn't have a seat at the table). It only made sense for a short time even then. It wa…

No, the king very much was at the table. With his opposition. For almost two years, the 'constituante' was there, composed by nobles on the left, clergy on the right and bourgeois in the center. It's only purpose was to redact a constitution, using the US as a model. It added a few laws, but those were more general principle rather than laws (the king cannot 'grâce' a prisonner, Jews are now real French citizen and n…

Be that as it may, my point that "left" and "right" have little useful meaning in the modern world (or even in the world of revolutionary France, after a short period of time) still stands.

> Aren't libertarians left-wing?

They're often described as "far right" in the United States, as are Nazis.

It's utterly ridiculous.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Post by anthony_d »

moribvndvs wrote: post #65

The thing that pisses me off about this guy and the normal folks that embrace the song is the lack of awareness and the down punching. The first half of the song is more or less something that just about every working person can empathize with. We have to work harder for less and our representative government doesn’t represent us, let alone work for us. Brilliant, I agree. Then it’s all downhill after that. Without m…

> Every time a Republican celebrity or politician posts this song and a working class stiff likes or retweets it, a useful idiot is born.

That might be true but I hope with some time and self reflection you’ll recover.

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Post by anthony_d »

mempko wrote: post #64
tivert wrote: post #61

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> So you are saying poor people should only eat bad, cheap food? What's your point exactly? 1. A bunch of the stuff on that list is literally garbage junk food. 2. The issue isn't "what people eat," it's "what taxpayer should pay for." I think what he's saying is that the government shouldn't be paying for unnecessary luxuries for people who can't afford them. If you're on food stamps, they should be good for healthy…

> The issue isn't "what people eat," it's "what taxpayer should pay for." I think what he's saying is that the government shouldn't be paying for unnecessary luxuries for people who can't afford them. If you're on food stamps, they should be good for healthy but modest food. Food stamps (SNAP) aren't paid out of your taxes. That's not how the federal government works. Your taxes don't pay for other people's food. Tax…

Ok, I’m at a complete loss… are you being serious or sarcastic? I’m not sure whether to laugh or cry.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Post by enterprise_cog »

brodouevencode wrote: post #63
enterprise_cog wrote: post #59

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If that truly was your point, you wouldn’t have needed to include your little story about how upset you were seeing someone use their EBT card in a way you disapprove of.

Then you've mis-projected my point twice. I'm not totally opposed to welfare benefits especially when it comes to food and housing. I'm not opposed to having healthy food as an option - in fact I would rather those foods be the only option. But crab legs at nearly $30/lbs is abusive compared to wild-caught salmon at half that price, or free range chicken at a third of that price. Stop trolling for outrage.

You’re the one posting (most likely fake) stories to push your ideology and drum up outrage. So who is trolling again?

Also, how are you so arrogant to assume your opinions on food should dictate what people should eat?

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Post by joneholland »

mempko wrote: post #50
merpnderp wrote: post #5

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Yeah, the fed money printer made a lot of really wealthy people even more wealthy, while the ruling class mocked the idea of it being inflationary (bald faced lying). And yet here we are with food and housing out of control, and the only people suffering are the poor and middle class. That song speaks to a lot of people.

Except most of that money went into their pockets and not buying food. So how could it affect food prices? The issue is that companies got greedy and decided to charge more because they thought they could get away with it. The money printer went mostly to the top who bought real-estate and other property. Some of it went to regular people and a lot of that went to pay down debt. Money printing doesn't equal inflation…

Both of you are pushing a misleading agenda so I’ll add a third one.

Food prices didn’t skyrocket from an excess of demand, and they didn’t purely skyrocket because of corporate greed.

They went up because the cost of production went up. Because oil went up so transport went up. Because grain supply chains were disrupted by the war. Every step of production has become more expensive. All of it was supply side driven. Not consumption driven.

Almost all of the inflation in 2021 was supply side driven, but we needed to get away from the zero interest rate trap of the last decade so the fed wasn’t going to let a good opportunity go to waste.

Re: How ‘Rich Men North of Richmond’ Reached the Top of the Charts

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Post by snapplebobapple »

moribvndvs wrote: post #65

The thing that pisses me off about this guy and the normal folks that embrace the song is the lack of awareness and the down punching. The first half of the song is more or less something that just about every working person can empathize with. We have to work harder for less and our representative government doesn’t represent us, let alone work for us. Brilliant, I agree. Then it’s all downhill after that. Without m…

You need to go check out small town west virginia. A massive minority of the people are on some form of government subsidy. It is reasonable to conclude he is not punching down, he is noticing a genuine problem in his community (that he has misidentified that as a reason his taxes are so high rather than as a massive subsidy for the region from outside rural west virginia causing at most a small increase in country wide taxes is unfortunate but i cant really blame him, you tend to notice what is plain as day in front of you rather than the subtlety behind that when you are mad about your situation)

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Post by cherry_tree »

brodouevencode wrote: post #30
xeromal wrote: post #7

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Yeah, the fudge round lyric is one of those typical conservative talking point comments, but the rest of his message is about class struggle and I think many people can appreciate the frustration found in them. The guy seems like a good bean but with a conservative upbringing. Most people should be focused on how washington fails them. I'm partial to this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xB9n0XA8dks Full disclosu…

> fudge rounds It's a typical conservative talking point, because it's true. https://www.ebtcardbalance.com/georgia-ebt-food-list-ef9 > From the USDA guidelines above, you can purchase the following items using your EBT card. > Soft drinks > Candy > Cookies > Snack crackers > Ice cream > Seafood such as lobster and shellfish > Steaks > Bakery cakes I followed a woman in Publix the other day who used a SNAP card to pu…

It’s wild to me that people will say out of one side of their mouth “the government is too big, it wants to control our lives and thoughts!” And out the other side say “the government needs to be more in control of what poor people are eating”
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