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I think full time work in the office is 100% dead and buried. It's never coming back for people who have enough skills to leverage that kind of arrangement. I think the first place we need to start is there. Most of us are NEVER going back to 5 days a week in the office. However, most of the folks complaining about return to work I've noticed are senior people who have enough skills to perform their job and don't req…
Return to office.
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“…however younger employees greatly benefit from in person learning and mentoring.” Doesn’t require a permanent office. Temp cowork spaces or bundling working with a career mentor in the final stretch of college are two options I just thought of laying in bed while also thinking about making coffee. More of the same is not an option for all the cost-benefit analysis that’s come up before. Prior to world war industria…
You want to go back to when 90% of people were subsistence farmers on the verge of starving?
I think full time work in the office is 100% dead and buried. It's never coming back for people who have enough skills to leverage that kind of arrangement. I think the first place we need to start is there. Most of us are NEVER going back to 5 days a week in the office. However, most of the folks complaining about return to work I've noticed are senior people who have enough skills to perform their job and don't req…
“…however younger employees greatly benefit from in person learning and mentoring.” Doesn’t require a permanent office. Temp cowork spaces or bundling working with a career mentor in the final stretch of college are two options I just thought of laying in bed while also thinking about making coffee. More of the same is not an option for all the cost-benefit analysis that’s come up before. Prior to world war industria…
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You want to go back to when 90% of people were subsistence farmers on the verge of starving?
Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
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This is incorrect. CEOs are literally planning these moves together. In a more general sense they're also creating an open culture to promote this type of thing. Take a scroll through some VC/CEO twitter accounts and see how many whine about WFH or people "cheating" at work, working two jobs, not having a work ethic... The capital class is good at working in its own interest and it has a lot of leverage to do so.
They are unhappy for sure, and are all copying each other because they are afraid of making the wrong move. They looked at what Musk did with Twitter with great interest I'm sure, looking for lessons for example to carry over, as one of the few leaders willing to stick his neck out. I don't believe there's major orchestration but it is true when everyone's on each other boards an incestuous common sense/wisdom tends…
That said, I've never seen Corporate America so universally aligned on a single thing than they are aligned on "Workers must return to the office." Definitely a tin-foil hat theory, but it really does strongly feel like they're all sitting in the same smoky room somewhere, making sure they all do the same thing in lock step.
I think full time work in the office is 100% dead and buried. It's never coming back for people who have enough skills to leverage that kind of arrangement. I think the first place we need to start is there. Most of us are NEVER going back to 5 days a week in the office. However, most of the folks complaining about return to work I've noticed are senior people who have enough skills to perform their job and don't req…
The senior+ I work with are nearly unanimous in disagreement and find remote mentoring as easy or easier than in-person. Pairing is easier on zoom, it loses the awkward personal space issues, it can be recorded, it can happen quicker and easier, and in general just works (a bit) better than in-person.
Socially, I definitely except the argument that in-office is better for young people. I can't imagine 25 year old me sitting by myself working from home, I would've turned into a very different person.
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Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize.[1] [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
I'm really not sure what the strongest possible interpretation of "lets go back to before the industrial revolution" is other than 90% of people being subsistence farmers on the verge of starving. People moved to cities because less agricultural labor was needed and people living close together makes them more productive.
They did not say this.
> People moved to cities because less agricultural labor was needed and people living close together makes them more productive.
People moved to cities because more industrial labor was needed. Proximity made industries more productive. Now more digital labor is needed. And people living far apart can be highly productive.
It's kind of funny to me that for a long time the people in cities looked down on rural people and life and touted the benefits of living in close proximity. When COVID hit, we saw a mass exodus from the cities and now people don't want to return.
It's kind of funny to me that rural people are so dependent on a international system of gas/diesel production that they can be priced out of being able to get food without significant Federal Govt intervention during price shocks