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Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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The maximum limit for cash payments in Italy is 1000€, so 3k would still be a lot. Why would someone need to pay for 10k in cash? Where does that cash come from? 60% of the times, it's money laundering every time. edit: I suppose since I'm in EU and I'm only 30 I'm "used" to the 1k limit, while non-EU (or specifically USA) people might be grabbing their pitchforks.

Why do you need privacy if you have nothing to hide?

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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post #53

The maximum limit for cash payments in Italy is 1000€, so 3k would still be a lot. Why would someone need to pay for 10k in cash? Where does that cash come from? 60% of the times, it's money laundering every time. edit: I suppose since I'm in EU and I'm only 30 I'm "used" to the 1k limit, while non-EU (or specifically USA) people might be grabbing their pitchforks.

EU citizen here and I don't remember electing you to represent my opinions. EU is not a hive mind and different people from different jurisdictions have different point of views on this matter. Here where I live people appreciate having access to cash because they don't trust their government.

Apologies if that sounded rude but Its often that I see people claiming to be EU citizens or sympathizers dropping the most arrogant takes. To the point I prefer to browse this website after 7PM in my timezone to avoid "the EU-only HN time".

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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in italy is 1,000EUR for a while, similar in other EU countries with varying thresholds. I personally prefer how the UK does it or other countries where private individuals have no limit but if you have a commercial activity you must have some regulation in place > The consumers can make cash payments without any limits. > The traders, however, need to register themselves with tax authorities as 'High Value Dealers'…

>in italy is 1,000EUR for a while

No, it is 5,000 in 2023 and never was 1,000:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=37236767

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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post #258

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Cash is money. Cash is immune to bank runs. If you have $10,000, then you have $10,000. If you deposit $10,000 in a bank, then you have $0 and a promise from a bank that has $1,000 and a promise (from somebody else) for $9,000.

So maybe we should fix fractional reserve instead of having an issue against cash? I would rather pay $10k with a bank transfer than having to carry that much on me.

Yes, fractional reserve banking should be reformed, and that's a reasonable preference. However, my point is that it's also reasonable for people to want to have physical possession of their assets.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Wow, as someone from the US I always thought the $1 notes were far superior to the equivalent coins in other countries. I dislike having coins in my pocket, but already have a note or 2. Adding a couple more adds negligent space.

You ruin notes if you put them in your pocket. Coins you can just drop in the coin pocket on jeans. I wish the 1USD coin was more than a legal tender collector item. Maybe up to 2USD would be nice.

Maybe some notes, but $1 bills are pretty durable. And most places will take them in nearly any condition, although, I did have a merchant in Ocean City, NJ recently that wouldn't take a $1 with a small tear, and I hear merchants overseas do want pristine USD.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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post #53

The maximum limit for cash payments in Italy is 1000€, so 3k would still be a lot. Why would someone need to pay for 10k in cash? Where does that cash come from? 60% of the times, it's money laundering every time. edit: I suppose since I'm in EU and I'm only 30 I'm "used" to the 1k limit, while non-EU (or specifically USA) people might be grabbing their pitchforks.

> Why would someone need to pay for 10k in cash? The answer to this is very simple: none of your business. I take strong issue with the word "need." Why do you need that car? That television? That four bedroom house? Why do you need that bow and arrow? For sport, you say? Why not play some ball game instead? Why do you need a chess set when you can play digitally online without killing a tree? Why do you need those f…

> The answer to this is very simple: none of your business.

It kinda is. Paying something $10,000 cash strongly suggests you’re buying something illegal, or you got this money illegally (not necessarily unethically, but still illegally).

That the only argument you can find is « it’s none of your business » doesn’t exactly play against this ruling.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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The damage is already done by not enforcing "All merchants must accept payment by cash". By accepting that any shop can say "we dont accept cash", we have already lost that freedom to pay by a not easily trackable form.

I wonder what more this law is hoping to achieve? Stopping that one guy who buys 10 laptops with a bag of cash? The merchants are already required by law to report any transactions above a certain amount made by cash.. so it is nothing new.

If I sell my car on Marktplaats, I cannot accept cash? is that it?

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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post #231

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> They can't control the black market in drugs, what makes them think controlling a black market in cash, which is a million times more desirable, will be any more successful? Well, for one, they control cash production > It's not a lot of money, and given inflation, diminishingly so. This is targeted at law abiding smallholding farmers where roadside transactions are often done in cash and farmers everywhere have a…

>Do you have any actual example of that ? What transaction do small farmers need to do along roadside for thousands of eur ? As kid of small farmer I don't remember anything like that ever happening. While each transaction might be <3000, on a good weekend, I could see it totaling to be over that amount. At this point, would it be illegal for the farmer to show up to his bank to deposit 3001? Does the farmer now need…

You can deposit whatever amount you want into your bank account, they just might ask questions regarding where the money came from, and if you show that you sold products there's zero issues.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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post #231

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They can't control the black market in drugs, what makes them think controlling a black market in cash, which is a million times more desirable, will be any more successful? Well, for one, they control cash production > It's not a lot of money, and given inflation, diminishingly so. This is targeted at law abiding smallholding farmers where roadside transactions are often done in cash and farmers everywhere have a…

>Do you have any actual example of that ? What transaction do small farmers need to do along roadside for thousands of eur ? As kid of small farmer I don't remember anything like that ever happening. While each transaction might be <3000, on a good weekend, I could see it totaling to be over that amount. At this point, would it be illegal for the farmer to show up to his bank to deposit 3001? Does the farmer now need…

A cash deposit into a bank isn't a payment.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Sounds good to me. It's hard to imagine anyone actually legitimately paying amounts like that cash these days.

Bootlicker mentality. Your inability to fathom the way others spend their currency shouldn't result in your support for arbitrary restrictions.
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