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Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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If the endgame is to ban cash, what would be the back up plan for in case of war, solar flare* or other natural disaster? *electromagnetic pulse destroy electronic devices (no ATMs, card readers)

Grains. The rulers of rural farmers group that establish grain production without industrial fertilizer supply becomes the new Habsburgs.

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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Give it a decade or two of inflation, and that's cash effectively outlawed

In Canada, and I think the US we cannot cross the border with > 10k in cash (edit: more if you declare it as mentioned below). The law has been there for as long as I can remember, be I sure purchasing power of 10k has gone down by at least a factor of 4-10 over the life of the law. All regulation type laws need sunset clauses and all dollar amounts should be inflation linked. The government shouldn't be able to scam…

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Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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If the endgame is to ban cash, what would be the back up plan for in case of war, solar flare* or other natural disaster? *electromagnetic pulse destroy electronic devices (no ATMs, card readers)

If a solar flare powerful enough to destroy the entire electronic payment system were to occur I'm sure everyone will be fine with you buying your storable food and colloidal silver with cash.

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Some countries like Denmark (starting 2020) have banned paying with the 500 Euro bank note. It's also no longer printed, but some 600 million of them still exist. I've seen a documentary where (I think it was Swedish police) would like to ban 200 Euro notes as well.

The only reason the 500 Euro bank note exists in the first place was that the Germans wanted a replacement for their 1,000 Mark note. (Apparently their reasoning was something along the lines of: what if you want to buy a car?) Meanwhile in Singapore we have a 10,000 dollar note (which is worth about 6,800 Euro at the moment.)

The 10,000 dollar note remains legal tender in Singapore but is being withdrawn from circulation together with the 1,000 note:

"Note: MAS has stopped issuing the following notes as a pre-emptive measure to reduce the potential money laundering and terrorism financing risks associated with large denomination notes:

The $1,000 notes with effect from 1 January 2021. The $10,000 notes with effect from 1 October 2014. Existing $10,000 and $1,000 notes in circulation remain legal tender in Singapore and can continue to be used as a means of payment for goods and services."

https://www.mas.gov.sg/currency/circulation-currency/circula....

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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The maximum limit for cash payments in Italy is 1000€, so 3k would still be a lot. Why would someone need to pay for 10k in cash? Where does that cash come from? 60% of the times, it's money laundering every time. edit: I suppose since I'm in EU and I'm only 30 I'm "used" to the 1k limit, while non-EU (or specifically USA) people might be grabbing their pitchforks.

How else would you buy a used car/motorbike from a private party?

Re: Cash payments above €3000 to be outlawed in Netherlands

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There are many similar restrictions on other countries. Here is a list for Europe: https://www.europe-consommateurs.eu/en/shopping-internet/cas... The equivalent of 3,000 - 4,000 Euro seems to be the norm.

Nice to see that there's no limit where I live which is Norway. Hopefully, there are no plans to introduce one.

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I'm very much a fan of choice here. I haven't personally used cash more than twice in the last 3 years, I love the convenience of Apple/Google Pay, but cash clearly still needs to exist

Use it or lose it.

Very true. There's a small segment in the netherlands who are doing just that, with the slogan "betaal bewust contant" (~pay cash consciously/purposefully), e.g. they go out of their way to pay cash at supermarkets even when there is only 1 cash register that allows it and all others are cashless. As I understand a similar movement exists in germany and is much more popular there (I guess due to their history with totalitarianism and persecution).

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Yeah but capitalism isn't going away, it's just transitioning into full surveillance capitalism.

We haven't had capitalism for a long time, markets are much to controlled and regulated to fit any reasonable definition.
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