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My Public Apology

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Re: My Public Apology

#101
I was going to post about how I thought it's not bad when people commit suicide, because life is just a ride we are all on. I was gonna put a link to this youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZkhR8suCF4 Then I saw your comment. And I realized I might sound like you did. So I changed my mind.

I did work with hospice patients before I die. Everyone thinks my attitude about death is callous except for the people I was helping to feel better as they were dying. They appreciated it, and hence liked me. But sometimes saying "It's OK that people die" isn't what family wants to hear. I seem callous, put the clients appreciate someone who doesn't treat them special because they will die soon (that makes them feel already dead and like they are defined by their dying.)

You are not apologizing for your joke. If humanity was more evolved, you wouldn't feel like you had to apologize for anything except a really lame joke. You are apologizing because most people are so deluded they are all afraid of dying and you did not give the people's fear of dying the superstitious awe they demand. And because most people are so insistent on enforcing their superstitions on everyone else that your lame joke threatens your business partners. You are saying: "I'm sorry I didn't adequately say what the consensus reality demanded of me." The next step for you (besides getting much better jokes) is to learn how to manipulate people's perceptions in consensus reality to control them instead of just confronting tranced people with reality accidently. Further, any publicity is good publicity. Apology not needed or accepted.

You should of seen me after Tim Russert died. I was gleeful. People die every day. If you're anxious about that, you can't live your own life. Fear of death is one of the main reasons people unknowingly live lives of quiet desperation. Using humor defeats the fear.

Re: My Public Apology

#102
post #10

I think that it also exposes some of the crazy group think going on here, so maybe it wasn't all bad. I mean, You're an idiot isn't supposed to be a +5 comment on this site. And reasoned discourse like It doesn't really matter what the Justin.tv CEO said. He pasted some boiler plate because there's nothing more to be said; the deed had been done. What do you want? An apology for not finding the video? For not policin…

"Prosecution of anybody "egging him on?"

I do want prosecution of egging someone on who is suicidal. Suicide is a medical emergency like a heart attack. Inducing a heart attack in a person with poison and inducing a suicide in a person with words are the same to me.

Incitement to commit suicide should be the same as incitement to commit murder.

Re: My Public Apology

#103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The rabid responses to Tom's post both shocked and surprised me as well. They just seemed a little bit more spirited than I would expect. It was a little schadenfreude-infused, to say the least.

So wait, we're shocked and horrified at downvoting, but suicide, hey happens all the time. Do the upvotes in this thread represent anti-group think group think?

people link their scores to the dopamine reactions in their brain so downvotes seem more important to these non introspective fucks then a suicide.

Re: My Public Apology

#104
For what it's worth, after my brother killed himself (not on webcam, thankfully) it was humour that got me through.

I found your comment funny.

Re: My Public Apology

#106
post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reactions are typical US behavior. People will rate you because of the one thing you did wrong and not even take into account the years before, where you did a perfect job. (Think about President Clinton and the Lewinski affaire...).

You bake one cake, and nobody calls you a baker. You mix one drink, and nobody calls you a bartender. But you fuck one sheep....

...and people think you're from New Zealand. ;-)

(Apologies to any Kiwi friends out there...I loved the semester I spent in your country. And no, I didn't see any sheepfuckers. Lots of sheep, though.)

Re: My Public Apology

#107
post #40
post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wasn't shocked at all. My favorite thing about HN is the community and the discussion that goes on here. I don't have comments on my blog for a reason, and it is precisely so that I don't have to deal with anonymous trolls that don't think before they comment. To me, Tom's comment was highly reminiscent of why I can't stand Reddit or Digg or YouTube comments. I expect more from HN discussions. This community has bu…

Perhaps I should have been more clear: The downvoting of the joke was expected. The massive upvoting of the snarky "oh, snap" comments that followed, is what was surprising. You are supposed to upvote intelligent discourse, and downvote the cruft; ie. encourage the "community and the discussion that goes on here", and discourage the "anonymous trolls that don't think before they comment". Or at least that's how I lea…

I just realized, it could be really interesting to have access to the history of karma over time for stories and comments, and perhaps accounts.

Re: My Public Apology

#108
post #43

(1) Your comment was callous, yes. (2) Your comment also had a grain of media meta-criticism truth. Falling asleep to die is about the least webcam-friendly method of suicide imaginable. This poor guy is sure to be outdone by a more telegenic webcam suicide, sooner or later. Such is the often-grim nature of 'progress'. (3) Your comment also had a grain of humor. Choosing to die in front of a camera is inherently melo…

In situations like these, people often run to the "humor helps people cope with death" excuse. Except in these situations, nobody involved is actually doing any coping, because they never had a relationship with the deceased, not even of the Princess Di sort where the relationship is one-way. Nor is the turn to humor nearly this quick among those who are genuinely coping.

Instead, these situations are almost always instances of the peanut gallery instinct run amok. We've come to naturally jeer a lot of the things we see on television (which is why MST3K was a success), and it doesn't take much to go from jeering a bad TV show to jeering the content of the news. Hence, we get the Darwin Awards, which nobody in their right mind could mistake as a coping measure. Instead, it's the death of real people used for our entertainment.

I strongly recommend reading Neil Postman's Amusing Ourselves to Death: Public Discourse in the Age of Show Business to get a handle on how warped our sense of reality has become in the age of television.

I'm not about to persecute tdavis for his original comment, but I also think a lot of the counter-reaction here oversteps the mark. If one is going to react to events like these at all, so soon after the event itself, they should do so with a measure of respect. Tragic events like death are considered tragic for a reason, and any attempt to sidestep that fact makes us a little less human. We've seen what happened to Rome, after all.

The apology was appropriate, and that's about all that needs to be said.

Re: My Public Apology

#109
post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was wondering abt the same on how his comment(thought inappropriate) should spur a whole lot of hate on product he builds. I would really down vote the person who first said "Note to self, stop using ticketstumbler". Seems more like an animated irrational crowd. Hard to believe on HN.

Yeah. One of those was me. Sorry about that. Suicide has touched me a little more deeply than most and I'm sorry to say that I shot first and thought later.

:) happens. I am sure everyone on HN appreciate Tom's move to apologize and your gesture too.

Re: My Public Apology

#110
post #43

(1) Your comment was callous, yes. (2) Your comment also had a grain of media meta-criticism truth. Falling asleep to die is about the least webcam-friendly method of suicide imaginable. This poor guy is sure to be outdone by a more telegenic webcam suicide, sooner or later. Such is the often-grim nature of 'progress'. (3) Your comment also had a grain of humor. Choosing to die in front of a camera is inherently melo…

I didn't downvote, but I didn't upvote either, for the simple fact that it wasn't funny . To paraphrase the pythons, humor is not the automatic gainsaying of the common sentiment.

I didn't downvote, I didn't upvote, I didn't vote sideways, and I didn't vote for the down-up-vote, etc. because I just don't care. You're thinking: what a jerk! Well, I care as much about this poor soul as I do about any of the other thousands of people who died today. I am a compassionate person, but I have some gripes, so please hear me out.

I live in the UK, and for the past several weeks we've had to suffer the media being obsessed with itself over [this](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7741322.stm) and [this](http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7740926.stm). They've each consumed 4 or 5 days of consecutive news headlines at the top of the bill. Politicians even get themselves involved - no doubt to disassociate themselves from having to answer real questions about their calamatous mistakes! It's a real circus, with destructive consequences, and this too is a circus, albeit a smaller one.

Yesterday I clicked on a link regarding this whole saga; it was worded with (fake) outrage over the Justin.tv CEO's notable lack of compassion from the press release. Personally I always find that press releases are great vehicles to show compassion! Anyway, right there in the middle of the screen was a very prominent screencaptured image of that boy's dead corpse. Uh, yeah, thanks for that er suicide porn. Very appropriate. Very well considered decision.

There is apparently good reason why established media don't go in to the details and gratuitous imagery of suicide that it reports - studies show that it can inspire further tragedies to take place, perhaps by indulging the fantasies of those among us who may be contemplating taking our own lives. With journalism, professional or amateur, online or offline, comes a great responsibility granted to it by a free society that shouldn't be taken lightly.

I fail to understand why tdavis felt the need to post a "public apology" over this. I can just imagine him standing in front of a press pack, his humiliated wife by his side, trying to worm his way out of some scandal to salvage a career. It never seems credible to me when people retract something they've said - why didn't you just say that you acknowledge that you have a dark and twisted sense of humour and that you won't apologise for it?

I thought HN was supposed to be a community of tech oriented entrepeneurs collecting relevent content, but judging by the cumulative editorial process that I've witnessed lately it seems to be descending into becoming nothing more than just another category of foxnews.com.

Now, you can release the hounds and I'll just stand here.

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