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Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would undoubtably respond with, "What about cryptocurrencies?".

To which I would of course reply that they are not money ;)

To which I would reply that money is defined by three properties:

1. Store of Value 2. Unit of Account 3. Medium of Exchange

Of which it's fair to say that several crypto currencies fit that bill.

Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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The best thing is those fucking sites where after the page seems to be completely loaded suddenly new components or even worse: ads pop in, and you accidentally click on those instead of what you intended to click on.

Sounds like it’s by design. Payouts for clicks is way higher than impressions. Sneaky sneaky. Or, malicious payloads await on the other side. My favorite is when a full react site loads up, doesn’t have error boundaries, hits some unimportant js exception, and the entire page that was fully rendered and ready to go just pops out of existence and you are looking at a white page. That doesn’t seem like forward progress…

Mozilla’s famous docs do this on my iPad pro rendering it utterly useless and honestly reflects badly on them, how can you claim to be an authority on documenting html/js when your site doesn’t even render?

People like to talk badly about w3schools but at least it manages the bear minimum of actually being able to render and display the information I’m looking for.

Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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I’ve rolled my own mvc framework before, In php even! This was years ago when CakePHP was the new hotness and Laravel didn’t exist. Take it from someone who had your mentality and set off to make a tiny and no bs mvc that just gets the job done, the amount of work these frameworks are doing for you (backend frameworks) that you don’t consider, is why you should run a framework. You don’t want to deal with processing…

You don’t want to deal with ... Well, I do all that and it works just fine for me. All my projects are 100% my own code down to the core. No frameworks, nothing. There might be some traces of jquery in there from when browsers were more unreliable. I don't even use that these days. To get to know those frameworks, I built some projects with Symfony, Laravel, Django and some others. But it didn't stick. They are too a…

How’s your vulnerability reporting process and how much experience do you have interpreting complicated pen tester bug reports about some buffer overflow zero day in your homebrew query string parser?

Huge difference between working fine, and working right. The security implications of rolling your own, is why I say “you don’t want to…”

Also, none of that code has anything to do with the product you’re actually trying to build. Imo it’s additional maintaining, tech debt, attack surface, and it’s a solved problem by a large community and has more knowledge from the security community baked in, and more eyes finding and plugging holes.

Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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More honest, or less clickbaity would be: "is my thiel truth"

Even better would be to use normal words rather than expecting people to know what "thiel truth" means.

Nobody knows what it means because it’s a phrase the author of the article invented.

Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To which I would of course reply that they are not money ;)

To which I would reply that money is defined by three properties: 1. Store of Value 2. Unit of Account 3. Medium of Exchange Of which it's fair to say that several crypto currencies fit that bill.

Oh good, so Beanie Babies are also money :)

Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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I honestly wonder if everything that is a best practice on the backend and frontend these days is a net negative compared to "Write your own PHP or Python code which outputs your own HTML+CSS+JS". Especially for indiemakers and startups by technical founders. All the frameworks add so much complexity and confusion. And I have seen several startups fail because when the developer was confronted with breaking changes o…

Mostly because it lowers the bar for execution. And that is not just a one time thing: it affects how fast you can on-board, ship new code, and refactor.

And that iteration speed is key for chasing down product market fit, which is way more dangerous to a company than suboptimal tech.

Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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> What important truth do very few people agree with you on? Seems like answering with SSR would fail a Thiel interview for two reasons: 1. It's not important (in the grand scheme of things) 2. It's not a view that very few people hold. SSR was the standard way to do things for a couple of decades up until frameworks like React, and React itself now implements SSR, doesn't it? Thiel uses this question to try and dete…

It’s still the way to do things today. Most web apps today don’t need React and Co.

Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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Lot of bashing of this idea, not sure why. The entire industry has shifted from "web developer" to frontend/backend developers. What used to be a web developer is now called full stack. It seems like a big deal to me and the entire shift is an indicator of how much the IT community is behind front end clients talking to a separate back end. Server side rendering is no longer considered normal. Server site rendering n…

> I'm glad we now have things like single page apps and client site interactive applications, because some apps were really not possible with server side rendering

And maybe server side rendering is just the right answer for websites which are not the two you mentioned.

Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He would undoubtably respond with, "What about cryptocurrencies?".

To which I would of course reply that they are not money ;)

I suspect Thiel has got bored with such debates at least ten years ago tbh and given his history with PayPal quite possibly 30.
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