All this noise around "back to the roots" template rendering seems to ignore the elephant in the room that FE devs DON'T want to work with jinja2, django templates and all this jazz as it is perceived as a devaluation of the role + they need to learn specific syntaxes instead of having a "one size fits all" approach like with js frameworks.
Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
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Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
#32First I’ve heard of this interview question but if anyone is wondering here is a guaranteed way to fail a job interview with Thiel by answering the question thusly: Money has never existed without taxation
He would undoubtably respond with, "What about cryptocurrencies?".
Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
#33Wait until they find out that you don't even need to use client-side JavaScript frameworks to do their rendering on the server...
Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
#34I honestly wonder if everything that is a best practice on the backend and frontend these days is a net negative compared to "Write your own PHP or Python code which outputs your own HTML+CSS+JS".
Especially for indiemakers and startups by technical founders.
All the frameworks add so much complexity and confusion.
And I have seen several startups fail because when the developer was confronted with breaking changes of their framework, they said "Ok, that's enough. I'm not going to plow through this".
The simple "PHP or Python talks to the DB and outputs an HTML interface" type startups have a pretty good success ratio on the other hand.
Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
#35> What important truth do very few people agree with you on? Seems like answering with SSR would fail a Thiel interview for two reasons: 1. It's not important (in the grand scheme of things) 2. It's not a view that very few people hold. SSR was the standard way to do things for a couple of decades up until frameworks like React, and React itself now implements SSR, doesn't it? Thiel uses this question to try and dete…
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Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
#36> It's cheaper
> You will need a backend anyway. It'll need to expose data to users. Exposing it as HTML is no harder than doing it via JSON or GraphQL
Sure, if your "app" is just buttons and UI that interacts with a backend DB, I agree. However, many PWAs and native apps do lots of heavy lifting on the client side, and loading the backend with that is not cheap at all!
Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
#37First I’ve heard of this interview question but if anyone is wondering here is a guaranteed way to fail a job interview with Thiel by answering the question thusly: Money has never existed without taxation
He would undoubtably respond with, "What about cryptocurrencies?".
What about them? Taxation applies to them...
Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
#38> What important truth do very few people agree with you on? Seems like answering with SSR would fail a Thiel interview for two reasons: 1. It's not important (in the grand scheme of things) 2. It's not a view that very few people hold. SSR was the standard way to do things for a couple of decades up until frameworks like React, and React itself now implements SSR, doesn't it? Thiel uses this question to try and dete…
> 1. It's not important (in the grand scheme of things)
> 2. It's not a view that very few people hold.
And yet it makes the author feel a contrarian free thinker. It turns out, it's the prototypical Thiel truth!
Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
#39I think the next major change will be unified hybrid rendering. Render the initial view via SSR for speed, framework automatically injects more and more of the page transparently as user-driven events happen. All of this will be transparent and you only write the app once.
This is what react server components is: the component tree renders on the server and is sent over a chunked http connection, gradually filling the page. The code is not sent to the client because events that necessitate a rerender go back to the server in a new request.
Re: Server-side rendering is a better choice for many applications (2020)
#40First I’ve heard of this interview question but if anyone is wondering here is a guaranteed way to fail a job interview with Thiel by answering the question thusly: Money has never existed without taxation
Yeah in practice, it's almost certainly important for the answer to be something that most people don't believe but which Peter Thiel does believe. It's just the typical "are you like me?" interview. If the interviewer is a conformist, they are looking for a conformist, if they are a contrarian, they are looking for a contrarian. Same as it ever was.