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I like this reasoning. Either we voluntarily stop behaving in a way that advertisers don’t like or we will be forced to stop behaving in ways that advertisers don’t like. The only likely or rational future is that we all stop acting in ways advertisers don’t like, one way or another. We may be best served by proactively rethinking all of our computing habits to make sure they more closely align with AdSense’s goals f…
I’ve seen an incomplete proposal from an adtech CEO that suggests we have a global user ID that we set somewhere, somehow (the tech details aren’t worked out, but the data would be stored centrally in some ad watchdog type org, something like the PCI-DSS Council), and publishers could offer varying levels of access to their site for varying levels of access to your data for advertisements. The user would be able to r…
AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
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Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
#132Of all the ad blockers, AdNauseam is the one that is feared the most. If everybody used it, it would kill the industry.
What economic model would you like to supplant the one which is currently serving a whole load of websites to us all for free?
I suspect that at least some of those websites shouldn't exist to begin with. I don't see why any improved economic model needs to consider them.
Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
#133As someone who's been interested in tracker defeating since that became a thing around 25 years ago, I'm just a little concerned that something like this AdNauseum -- if ever adopted significantly -- could invite blowback that also hits more conventional tracker blocking, or other current liberties. Not making certain HTTP requests seems to be protected right now. However, click fraud, with which this might be confla…
I'm not sure if AdNauseam can be adapted for autonomous use on a Raspberry Pi, it's unlikely it would replace uBO for me, however an ad-clicking machine running on a Pi is appealing.
Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
#134As someone who's been interested in tracker defeating since that became a thing around 25 years ago, I'm just a little concerned that something like this AdNauseum -- if ever adopted significantly -- could invite blowback that also hits more conventional tracker blocking, or other current liberties. Not making certain HTTP requests seems to be protected right now. However, click fraud, with which this might be confla…
“click fraud”? That is very very far fetched. I’m just following links your website serves me. If you don’t like it you don’t have to serve your ads to me.
Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
#135It took me a long time to come around to using ad blockers. For a long time, my feeling was, "if you don't like ads don't use the web. You owe it to those websites to look at their ads". But then the ads just go so resource intense that I came around and finally installed an ad blocker. This however still feels one step too far. The ad blocker protects me from the resource utilization of ads. But if you're already bl…
I'm perfectly fine with a blog author carrying a banner on their domain advertising for a service that paid for thier blog post. What I'm NOT fine with is a blog post carrying an ad served by a tracking company that wants to know who I am, what my interests are, and how to get me to buy more things I dont need. If a blog presents such ad, they deserve to be fired upon.... by tools like Ad nauseum IMO. It is only fair.
Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
#136As someone who's been interested in tracker defeating since that became a thing around 25 years ago, I'm just a little concerned that something like this AdNauseum -- if ever adopted significantly -- could invite blowback that also hits more conventional tracker blocking, or other current liberties. Not making certain HTTP requests seems to be protected right now. However, click fraud, with which this might be confla…
Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
#137As someone who's been interested in tracker defeating since that became a thing around 25 years ago, I'm just a little concerned that something like this AdNauseum -- if ever adopted significantly -- could invite blowback that also hits more conventional tracker blocking, or other current liberties. Not making certain HTTP requests seems to be protected right now. However, click fraud, with which this might be confla…
We are already there with chrome between the fact that you can't install this without dev mode and the recent "Web Environment Integrity" ...
Use Firefox or any of the now countless privacy respecting browsers.
Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
#138Online advertising industry is at the point of negative externality. If everyone is blasting ads to users, the effectiveness of each ad goes down, and thus an advertiser need to blast even more ads. All this is at decreased quality of user experience and increased resource serving ads (screen real estate, servers, developer hours) while the economic efficiency (matching willing sellers and buyers) is no longer increa…
Although, I will note that giving advertisers disinformation resulting from adnauseam loads is probably a much more significant effect than the cost of serving additional bytes.
Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
#139Earlier quoted context omitted.
What does taking back the power look like?
Something more BBS-like. (Something like this: http://www.textfiles.com/100/ ) You send a detailed list of what's being offered, and expected. I return a request for exactly what I'd like to get ... and nothing else ... along with my list of what I'm willing to send in return. If you don't like my list, deny my request. If you deliberately send me something I didn't checkmark, or change your stated expectations, I'll…
Re: AdNauseam: uBlock Origin fork silently clicking ads on behalf of users
#140Online advertising industry is at the point of negative externality. If everyone is blasting ads to users, the effectiveness of each ad goes down, and thus an advertiser need to blast even more ads. All this is at decreased quality of user experience and increased resource serving ads (screen real estate, servers, developer hours) while the economic efficiency (matching willing sellers and buyers) is no longer increa…
> if everyone is blasting ads to users, the effectiveness of each ad goes down, and thus an advertiser need to blast even more ads. Things have really gone full circle now. If I visit a site (happens rarely) that has a clean design and puts all the ads into a plain column down one side of the page, I'm pretty sure I'm more likely to look at those ads than I am on the typical crappy site where I need to swat away ads…
Brilliant.