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Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by weikju »

psunavy03 wrote: post #4

I don't see why people are still using 1970s-era IDEs in 2023. Sure, it's a joke that emacs and vim users are at loggerheads, but name me one user of either who isn't a graybeard at this point. And specifically a graybeard who refuses to use more modern tools.

Long after you've migrated from your current favorite IDE twice over, we'll still be using emacs.

Long after whatever company sponsoring development of your current favorite IDE enshitifies them twice over, we'll still be using emacs.

Long after you relearn your IDE workflows twice over, we'll still be using emacs.

And emacs keeps evolving and can handle modern development just fine (except for the most garden-walled ones, and even then...), while not breaking our brains all the time with so many changes and migrations and trend changes.

We want to keep using our tools and get work done, not keep up with the Joneses.

Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by marginalia_nu »

psunavy03 wrote: post #4

I don't see why people are still using 1970s-era IDEs in 2023. Sure, it's a joke that emacs and vim users are at loggerheads, but name me one user of either who isn't a graybeard at this point. And specifically a graybeard who refuses to use more modern tools.

If something has been around for 50 years and nothing has been able to displace it, that is usually because it's pretty good.

Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by brabel »

psunavy03 wrote: post #4

I don't see why people are still using 1970s-era IDEs in 2023. Sure, it's a joke that emacs and vim users are at loggerheads, but name me one user of either who isn't a graybeard at this point. And specifically a graybeard who refuses to use more modern tools.

I think you probably don't know emacs if you think no one should find it useful. I highly recommend you give it a go. It may not become your main IDE, but I can guarantee that you'll find it very useful for a multitude of tasks, like a lighter text editor, quick REPL, RSS feed reader, binary file reader, org mode (like an organizer of tasks/notes/literal programming etc), magit (the amazing git client), grepping and navigating easily between search result files... and so many other things.

Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by fayalalebrun »

psunavy03 wrote: post #4

I don't see why people are still using 1970s-era IDEs in 2023. Sure, it's a joke that emacs and vim users are at loggerheads, but name me one user of either who isn't a graybeard at this point. And specifically a graybeard who refuses to use more modern tools.

I am in my early 20s and started using Emacs when I was 18. The reason I use Emacs instead of a more "modern" tool is because nothing else comes close in terms of ease of extensibility.

I would be interested to hear if you know of any modern editors where extending my editor is as easy as writing one line and running "eval-buffer".

Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by lbj »

It's crazy that here in 2023, Emacs is still the absolute beast when it comes to developer productivity. I had a colleague review one of my workflows the other week and after a minute or so he said "Whoa, I would have been in 5 different tools by now".

If you're not into Emacs, I suggest you give it a whirl. For most development, nothing else will get you close to the joy and productivity that a well configured Emacs can.

Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by raincole »

weikju wrote: post #11
psunavy03 wrote: post #4

I don't see why people are still using 1970s-era IDEs in 2023. Sure, it's a joke that emacs and vim users are at loggerheads, but name me one user of either who isn't a graybeard at this point. And specifically a graybeard who refuses to use more modern tools.

Long after you've migrated from your current favorite IDE twice over, we'll still be using emacs. Long after whatever company sponsoring development of your current favorite IDE enshitifies them twice over, we'll still be using emacs. Long after you relearn your IDE workflows twice over, we'll still be using emacs. And emacs keeps evolving and can handle modern development just fine (except for the most garden-walled…

I started using JetBrains IDEA 12 years ago and I'm still using it today. My confidence of it being available 12 years later is high.

Yes, if you're talking about a timeframe of ~50 years, use vim and emacs. I just don't care that level of future proof.

Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by llm_thr »

weikju wrote: post #11
psunavy03 wrote: post #4

I don't see why people are still using 1970s-era IDEs in 2023. Sure, it's a joke that emacs and vim users are at loggerheads, but name me one user of either who isn't a graybeard at this point. And specifically a graybeard who refuses to use more modern tools.

Long after you've migrated from your current favorite IDE twice over, we'll still be using emacs. Long after whatever company sponsoring development of your current favorite IDE enshitifies them twice over, we'll still be using emacs. Long after you relearn your IDE workflows twice over, we'll still be using emacs. And emacs keeps evolving and can handle modern development just fine (except for the most garden-walled…

I remember when people told me on this very site that atom is the future and emacs should just close up shop.

Wellllllllll....

Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by yawpitch »

lbj wrote: post #15

It's crazy that here in 2023, Emacs is still the absolute beast when it comes to developer productivity. I had a colleague review one of my workflows the other week and after a minute or so he said "Whoa, I would have been in 5 different tools by now". If you're not into Emacs, I suggest you give it a whirl. For most development, nothing else will get you close to the joy and productivity that a well configured Emacs…

^ with the caveat that a well-configured emacs requires a well-configured emacs, often leading to an infinite loop.

Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by ak_111 »

lbj wrote: post #15

It's crazy that here in 2023, Emacs is still the absolute beast when it comes to developer productivity. I had a colleague review one of my workflows the other week and after a minute or so he said "Whoa, I would have been in 5 different tools by now". If you're not into Emacs, I suggest you give it a whirl. For most development, nothing else will get you close to the joy and productivity that a well configured Emacs…

can you give an example of such workflow?

Re: Mastering Emacs

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Post by samuell »

Anybody who read it? Is it any good?

(I'm a Vim user, but have sometimes half-pondered the thought of getting into Emacs, (using evil-mode of course), for the org-mode & co)

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