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Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by klausa »

vladvasiliu wrote: post #208
therealmarv wrote: post #66

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I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. I would never use an iPhone for certain software and UX related issues (biggest is the missing back gesture/button). My Pixel does better photos than ANY iPhone on the market. Macbook Air M1, just look at Dell XPS series. Samsung S9 tablets have an OLED display. OLED... you don't get that on any iPad. Apple Wa…

> I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. Because some people, like yours truly, enjoy having a patched up-to-date mobile os, but also don't need to change their phone every other year. My Iphone 7 which I bought refurbished in February 2017, still works perfectly after a battery change. It has the previous iOS version, but it keeps receiving securi…

FWIW, Apple does release _some_ patches for previous iOS versions, but there absolutely are mitigations that are not back ported to older versions.

If you care deeply about security, I’d recommend having a phone that actually is using up-to-date OS.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by Klonoar »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #274
gorjusborg wrote: post #165

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I vote with my wallet. The Framework laptop is my choice. It is not the best in every category, but it is mine. I didn't like the weak hinges, I replaced them. I can replace the battery when I need. I can upgrade the memory or hard disk, or motherboard or screen when I need. The thing with Apple is that their way of vertical tech integration results in highly polished, non-standard, unservicable machines. They are ni…

I feel exactly the same about Apple's software. It's great as long as your preferred workflow matches the Apple-blessed workflow. But if it doesn't, you're pretty much hosed. Desktop Linux is not as nice or facile or polished, but it feels like "my" desktop because I can modify it. When I use MacOS, it feels like I'm just renting somebody else's computer. It's a very nice computer, but it can never be mine.

I mean, that’s your definition of “yours” though.

It’s like saying that buying a condo isn’t home ownership due to an HOA having some oversight. Some people are totally fine with that, it doesn’t mean it’s less “theirs”.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by klausa »

Klonoar wrote: post #376
baby_souffle wrote: post #287

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> I remember reading that too, but I think it was on mastodon — I don't feel like tracking down that particular thread now, but maybe that helps you on your search :) That would be strong evidence that there's at least _some_ support internally for them but doesn't explain why they bothered at all. The lack of explicit endorsements and documentation certainly has me thinking that at least _some_ of apple doesn't want…

> but doesn't explain why they bothered at all I mean, you're kind of glossing over my second point from my comment: > I'm pretty sure I've also seen it mentioned on HN itself that Linux is still used within Apple for certain aspects of hardware development, so Apple themselves need it to work to a certain degree. Anyway, I went and dug around and found the HN discussion of that Marcan tweet that's been deleted - you…

Here’s a Wayback Machine for that tweet: https://web.archive.org/web/20220102153759/https://twitter.c...

But I have to say I don’t understand how what Saagar is saying is supporting your (our?) point. Apple has ability to do a whole lot of things that will never make it to end-users — just because some flavor of Linux is being used in the CPU bringup process doesn’t mean anything for the final products.

As evidenced by the fact that M1 is far from the first chip they brought up in-house - and even then only on Macs, not on iPads which use the same chip.

I hear they even have some non-Apple hardware running macOS in data centers, the absolute horror ;P

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by slikrick »

ajdude wrote: post #228
alberth wrote: post #42

For clarity, this isn't the first conformant linux drivers. Apple themselves are not conformant to OpenGL® ES 3.1. So this is literally the first conformant OpenGL ES 3.1 drivers for M-Series, for any operating system (Apple or Non-Apple). Hence why the call to action to donate to the team. https://asahilinux.org/support/

I love what they're doing, but last time I clicked a link for asahilinux on hacker news I was taken to a pop up that specifically said that readers from Hacker News are not welcomed on their site and couldn't read their content.

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Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by kiwijamo »

mwint wrote: post #128
nly wrote: post #116

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This is a limit of battery technology. Your Apple laptop will ha e shit battery life in a few years as well

I have an Apple laptop that is a few years old. It does not have shit battery life. Probably 90% of new. Did you research this statement before making it?

I've owned several Apple laptops over the last 20 years for both personal and work use and they've all had reduced battery life over time. I've suffered one recall, another one which failed 1 month past the warranty and which the Apple Store said was quite normal(!), and several had degraded to the point I had to ensure they didn't drop down to below 20% (or some other magic number). After the first few I took into the Apple Store only for them to say "oh that's to be expected" I stopped going in. Not sure why people think Apple laptops are magically immune, they're not. They suffer battery issues just the same as other brands do.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by zekrioca »

hutzlibu wrote: post #365
astrange wrote: post #269

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I don't think being able to reverse engineer your project is actually a good qualification for hiring you, considering your employees don't need to do that. Also, isn't she a high schooler/freshman? There's always internships but it's best to do other things before grinding those out.

If someone understands your codebase without your sources and docs - you can bet that they will also understand it with the help of those. Usually better, if the docs have any value. And this is kind of a valuable skill, considering how many coders don't understand their codebase even with docs.

I did not follow parent’s reasoning either. They did something without any documentation at all.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by [deleted] »

Waterluvian wrote: post #72

> Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation… Is the big corporation even racing you? Does it care? What devs and superusers want is regularly at odds with what makes sense for the actual business cases of a product. I want all these things, too! But I recognize that it doesn't happen because what I want fails to make a solid business c…

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Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by nicce »

hgomersall wrote: post #161
nicce wrote: post #135

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I have tried to use nipple many times but maybe I was unfortunate with it. I was not able to get good enough drivers on Linux for it, and as a result it was never accurate, but very clunky instead.

This was on Linux. It takes a bit of getting used to, but I won't go back unless I'm absolutely forced to.

I agree that I liked it on Windows. But I was not able to get the same experience on Linux.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by rowanG077 »

zamadatix wrote: post #145
htk wrote: post #19

Asahi and Alyssa are the titans of reverse engineering. Their work is pretty unbelievable. I would bet Apple is planning to hire them, or has tried already and they refused.

Valve already contracts Alyssa. Arguably they have more business use case for the skillset than Apple.

I don't think Valve contracts Alyssa. I think she is working for RH.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by tornato7 »

Zetobal wrote: post #176
tornato7 wrote: post #170

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I bought a MacBook Pro in 2013 and my mom bought a Dell XPS at around the same time. Her laptop died, she got a Lenovo Yoga. That one died within a year and was replaced for free. The new one died after two years. When the M1 Air came out I gave her the old MacBook Pro, which she still uses every day, going strong (aside from battery life, but it's mostly plugged in). It has essentially outlived 4 Windows laptops. I…

The M1 won't, the SSD will wear out before that and with no way to swap, it will be landfill as well.

I'd note that the 2013 MBP also has an SSD that hasn't experienced any problems so far.
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