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Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by trogdor »

therealmarv wrote: post #66
europeanNyan wrote: post #36

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I agree with you completely and yet it's practically impossible finding a worthwhile alternative. I've tried finding alternatives on my last upgrade cycle and it's like having to live with endless amounts of compromises just to get away from Apple. For the iPhone, I tried looking at the Pixel for the Vanilla Android experience and long support, yet it seems like people are fighting battery life issues all the time. N…

I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. I would never use an iPhone for certain software and UX related issues (biggest is the missing back gesture/button). My Pixel does better photos than ANY iPhone on the market. Macbook Air M1, just look at Dell XPS series. Samsung S9 tablets have an OLED display. OLED... you don't get that on any iPad. Apple Wa…

>I would never use an iPhone... missing back gesture/button

One finger swipe right.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by Klonoar »

gilbetron wrote: post #100
post-it wrote: post #80

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> Also, couldn't find anything coming near the value of a baseline Macbook Air M1 as far as build quality, battery life, stability etc. is concerned. And the trackpad! I always evangelize the Macbook trackpad because that shit is bananas, as it were.

I used to think that, but my latest Asus laptop has a trackpad just as good as the macbook (which I use professionally). Actually, I like PC trackpads more, just because they tend to be reasonably sized rather than the monster trackpads on most macbooks (although, fortunately, they seemed to not be quite as big in the M1/M2 iterations!).

I'm sorry, but I just don't buy that it's as good as the MacBook. Can you detail what model Asus laptop you're using? I'm legitimately curious what the hardware is.

The only trackpads I've found that feel close to Apple's on a hardware level are the ones produced by Sensel (https://sensel.com), and those aren't in every laptop. Then you have the driver situaton on top of it, and Apple's tight vertical integration just always seems to give it the edge - I literally never experience invalid taps or movement, etc.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by [deleted] »

bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

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Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by rob74 »

justinclift wrote: post #68
Buttons840 wrote: post #18

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Sometimes I think the biggest secret in this industry is that 2 people can outproduce even the largest companies. The only thing keeping everyone's job secure is that nobody can accurately identify which 2 people.

> ... 2 people can outproduce even the largest companies. Only if they're not including documentation. Or maybe only very, very, very minimal documentation. If you want full documentation, translated to a bunch of languages, then (for now at least) you'll need more than those 2 people.

Fortunately, in the case of a GPU driver, you don't need a lot of documentation beside the standard it implements...

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by soulbadguy »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #61
soulbadguy wrote: post #49

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This is in my opinion very wrong, you will end up just selecting for a sub population which might or might have the qualities you are looking for. You seem to be confusing volume of work and passion for skill. Some of the best engineers i know will are very diligent about work life balance (i guess you call that clock in/sign out), do not have publicly visible git hub because in their spare time they are either with…

People who do more will, by definition, have more experience than those who do less. The engineers who spend their time reading and working on problems because they want to, creating larger volumes of work than those who only work an 8-to-5 job will generally always have a larger breadth and depth of experience. Saying the inverse is true is highly unlikely over large populations of individuals across any field, not…

Video worth a thousand words : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nMEzr5uvrNM

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by zamadatix »

ColonelPhantom wrote: post #173
klausa wrote: post #125

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Can you use Windows drivers for your GPU on Linux?

If you look the other way around (which is more relevant anyways), you can compile Mesa for Windows. However I'm pretty sure only the software renderer is available because Mesa is not capable of interfacing with the Windows kernel driver, as all the other drivers are coupled with Linux driver interfaces, iirc. (At least I'm quite certain this is the case for AMD.) I'm also quite certain the proprietary NVIDIA driver…

To add on, just because it's cool, there is a 3rd category in play with Mesa of layered drivers. Microsoft worked on and officially supports running OpenCL and OpenGL on devices which only have a DX12 driver via Mesa this fashion. Still all user space of course but not software rendering. More akin to MoltenVK from the blog post, except fully supported and maintained by the OS provider.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by freehorse »

intrasight wrote: post #152
bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

> If i weren't an iOS dev, i would have ran away I used to wonder why anybody who is not an iOS developer would buy a Mac. Now I just accept that some people make different choices than I would - just with most everything in life.

If somebody makes a laptop as energy efficient as an apple silicon macbook, while being more serviceable, running linux etc, I will gladly buy that one. I am definitely not staying in apple for Macos.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by vladvasiliu »

therealmarv wrote: post #66
europeanNyan wrote: post #36

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I agree with you completely and yet it's practically impossible finding a worthwhile alternative. I've tried finding alternatives on my last upgrade cycle and it's like having to live with endless amounts of compromises just to get away from Apple. For the iPhone, I tried looking at the Pixel for the Vanilla Android experience and long support, yet it seems like people are fighting battery life issues all the time. N…

I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. I would never use an iPhone for certain software and UX related issues (biggest is the missing back gesture/button). My Pixel does better photos than ANY iPhone on the market. Macbook Air M1, just look at Dell XPS series. Samsung S9 tablets have an OLED display. OLED... you don't get that on any iPad. Apple Wa…

> I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone.

Because some people, like yours truly, enjoy having a patched up-to-date mobile os, but also don't need to change their phone every other year. My Iphone 7 which I bought refurbished in February 2017, still works perfectly after a battery change. It has the previous iOS version, but it keeps receiving security updates. All the apps I need work on it (games may be too much for it, but luckily, I have a PC with a big-ass GPU for that). My dad's Galaxy S7 hasn't had an update in a while. He tried to install 1password, a freaking password manager which is basically a glorified notepad, says it doesn't support the phone and / or the android version. His GS7 is working fine otherwise, though.

> Macbook Air M1, just look at Dell XPS series.

This has to be a joke. I can wholly understand people not valuing build quality and preferring to save money over that or invest it someplace else. But that doesn't make it "comparable".

Have they finally fixed the touchpad moving by itself or ignoring your finger? The fan spinning like a jet engine for no reason? I hear nowadays everybody's on the "modern standby" bandwagon. How do you like your battery draining 50% while on your commute home while the PC supposedly sleeps? Or waiting around for it to wake up from hibernation? That's if you're lucky enough it doesn't burn down your bag because it figured it's as good a time as any to wake up and do who knows what, which absolutely couldn't wait.

I won't comment on the ipad nor the watch, since I've never owned any of those.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by nwellinghoff »

sneak wrote: post #88
therealmarv wrote: post #66

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I still don't understand why people think in 2023 that Android can not be a viable alternative to an iPhone. I would never use an iPhone for certain software and UX related issues (biggest is the missing back gesture/button). My Pixel does better photos than ANY iPhone on the market. Macbook Air M1, just look at Dell XPS series. Samsung S9 tablets have an OLED display. OLED... you don't get that on any iPad. Apple Wa…

I had a top of the line XPS. Battery life is less than half that of the Air. The speakers in the XPS sound like they are from the 90s. It gets painfully hot on the bottom case. The keyboard wrist rest area is cheap plastic. It was thicker and heavier than the MBA. Intel Iris GPU (ie slow af) versus M1/M2 GPU. One point to the XPS: the pixel density of the 4k 13" was absolutely LOVELY. I have never seen a screen so ni…

Been running a XPS 9560 since 2017 and its rock solid. Windows 10 with WSLv2. Basically the key to any Windows machine is finding the combination of drivers that are stable. That is the trade off with Windows. They support a ton of hardware so naturally the driver quality varies. Apple's problem space is easy in comparison. One set of hardware, one set of drivers. A lot of the complaints about XPS hardware really boil down to the bad set of drivers Dell ships them with. As I get older it has become pretty clear the sweet spot is to be two generations behind the latest and greatest. You get the ideal spot between price, cheap replacement parts and stability.

So not turn key, but also not a rip off prison like Apple :)

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by AnonMO »

nwellinghoff wrote: post #194

I really wish nerds would stop supporting Apple hardware and software. It is so closed and everything is a giant pain. Its one thing for the average non-techie that does not want to do anything advanced and just wants to swallow the blue pill. But for an actual techie to support a system that is the antithesis of general purpose compute...Can you even be considered a true techie anymore? I just don't get it.

When you realize the world isn't strictly dividen it categories such as blue or red. you might begin to understand why people do what they do. also let me ask you a question since you're obviously for free and open source. how much have you contributed to riscv development or donated to move their cause forward? are you actively maintaining any open projects? because if you read the post the authors stated that they are small with limited funding which is the case for most open source projects.
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