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Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by bastardoperator »

bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

Genuine question. Why would apple make a driver for something they don't support? and if they wouldn't, is there really any shame?

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by alberth »

For clarity, this isn't the first conformant linux drivers.

Apple themselves are not conformant to OpenGL® ES 3.1.

So this is literally the first conformant OpenGL ES 3.1 drivers for M-Series, for any operating system (Apple or Non-Apple).

Hence why the call to action to donate to the team.

https://asahilinux.org/support/

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

hotdogscout wrote: post #38
andrewmcwatters wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, that's definitely not true. You'll know when you interview them and they have extensive contributions to open source, an active GitHub or GitLab account, can show you things they're proud of having made in their spare time, can talk at length about technologies and implementation details none of your other candidates can, can show you their participation in mailing lists, etc. There are a billion obvious signal…

And a lot of times companies won't hire these passionate people.

They don't even know who they are because B-players only hire other B-players.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by selectodude »

eru wrote: post #39
europeanNyan wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with you completely and yet it's practically impossible finding a worthwhile alternative. I've tried finding alternatives on my last upgrade cycle and it's like having to live with endless amounts of compromises just to get away from Apple. For the iPhone, I tried looking at the Pixel for the Vanilla Android experience and long support, yet it seems like people are fighting battery life issues all the time. N…

> Also, couldn't find anything coming near the value of a baseline Macbook Air M1 as far as build quality, battery life, stability etc. is concerned. The ThinkPads are pretty good laptops, especially if you put Linux on them.

My brand new work thinkpad is total garbage compared to my two year old MacBook Pro. Only laptop where I need to use an external mouse.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by selectodude »

jolux wrote: post #29
seeknotfind wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Lol. It's intentionally closed, so network effects can drive usage. Common Apple strategy, straight from Jobs.

Jobs is the guy who claimed they were going to make it an open standard originally.

Jobs just added that to the keynote presentation after running it past nobody.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by 2OEH8eoCRo0 »

matthew-wegner wrote: post #5

Why is M2 Ultra support missing? I'm curious more than anything--lack of developer hardware? Something technical? "The Khronos website lists all conformant implementations, including our drivers for the M1, M1 Pro/Max/Ultra, M2, and M2 Pro/Max." Edit: Interesting that so many people are downvoting this. I'm not complaining; I didn't know, so I asked a question. Seems like the answer is that it's too new, especially w…

It's missing because Apple doesn't release drivers or upstream the drivers so it's on hobbyists to reverse engineer them.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by andrewmcwatters »

Foobar8568 wrote: post #35
htk wrote: post #19

Asahi and Alyssa are the titans of reverse engineering. Their work is pretty unbelievable. I would bet Apple is planning to hire them, or has tried already and they refused.

I bet Apple already tried and they refused due to NDA and non compete clauses, that or HR didn't validate their profile.

Too many people involved in technical hiring, and too many pointless interviews. It's likely anywhere they went to interview, the people there would have no idea how good they were in the first place.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by asddubs »

bastardoperator wrote: post #41
bsaul wrote: post #12

"Of course, Asahi Lina and I are two individuals with minimal funding. It’s a little awkward that we beat the big corporation…" Love the euphemism. This puts Apple to shame, plain and simple. They obviously don't care about standards, or compliance, because they like people to be walled in their own little private garden (still waiting for the facetime standard, or any kind of cross-platform technology created in the…

Genuine question. Why would apple make a driver for something they don't support? and if they wouldn't, is there really any shame?

well, the article mentions webgl

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by soulbadguy »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #31
Buttons840 wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes I think the biggest secret in this industry is that 2 people can outproduce even the largest companies. The only thing keeping everyone's job secure is that nobody can accurately identify which 2 people.

Yeah, that's definitely not true. You'll know when you interview them and they have extensive contributions to open source, an active GitHub or GitLab account, can show you things they're proud of having made in their spare time, can talk at length about technologies and implementation details none of your other candidates can, can show you their participation in mailing lists, etc. There are a billion obvious signal…

This is in my opinion very wrong, you will end up just selecting for a sub population which might or might have the qualities you are looking for.

You seem to be confusing volume of work and passion for skill. Some of the best engineers i know will are very diligent about work life balance (i guess you call that clock in/sign out), do not have publicly visible git hub because in their spare time they are either with their families/communities or enjoying other non tech related hobbies.

A good programmer (from an employer perspective) is first and foremost a professional, passion and loving doing stuff is good but can only get so so far. I know a lot of the passionate programmer who basically suck.

> There are obvious clowns in the industry

Agree, and the worst seem to be the one thinking they have this magical/predictive ability to discern talent based on their limited life experience.

Re: The first conformant M1 GPU driver

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Post by mastercheif »

andrewmcwatters wrote: post #40

> Unlike ours, the manufacturer’s M1 drivers are unfortunately not conformant for any standard graphics API, whether Vulkan or OpenGL or OpenGL ES. That means that there is no guarantee that applications using the standards will work on your M1/M2 (if you’re not running Linux). This isn’t just a theoretical issue. Consider Vulkan. The third-party MoltenVK layers a subset of Vulkan on top of the proprietary drivers. H…

My blood pressure just drove up reading this.
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