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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by Slava_Propanei » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 1:55 PM UTC

MiguelX413 wrote: post #184

aaron695 wrote: post #158

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> Wu refused to go along with China's huge policy shift She was also heavily attacked by people in the West as she also refused to go along with the Wests 'masks don't matter policy' She created Google Docs early on with evidence masks would work contravening the Western governments and the 'trust the science' crowd. Lets not pretend it's just China here, it maybe offtopic to this incident, but at the time you could…

The “trust the science” crowd were the ones advocating for masks, no?

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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by [deleted] » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 7:34 PM UTC

cwkoss wrote: post #185

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> Instructables used to support Chinese characters, and someone made a decision that broke that support and it got pushed to prod. (Did someone change the text encoding of UGC and migrate the DB without thinking about other languages?!) At best it was the result of incompetence and apathy. Or alternatively, something somewhere was not built to design UTF-8 (since, you know, its an actual hard problem) and it was a sh…

> To ice the cake she even talks about "tech bros" (the implied tone being white men). It is interesting how you are projecting meaning onto her use of "tech bro"? I'm guessing you're a white tech bro? It's interesting how men in tech get extremely offended by her lack of deference to them. I think it probably is a result of her appearance as a nonwhite "bimbo-aesthetic" engineer - (especially white) tech bros feel l…

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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by stale2002 » Mon, Aug 21, 2023, 7:37 PM UTC

veidr wrote: post #201

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"I got my wings clipped and they weren't gentle about it" "I can leave but Kaidi can't" "In fact, one of the latest turns is the Beijing LGBT Center's closure by the Chinese government in May of this year. " And many other useful bits of information in the article. Censorship is when you send a message from jail and someone elides stuff they don't want you to talk about. It doesn't involve goons visiting you, travel…

Rethink your take. Censorship is when the government prevents you from saying or publishing what you want. The government's ability to do that ultimately stems from the threat of force/violence. China's ways of doing this might seem crude to somebody in the US or EU, but boil down to the same thing. If you continue to disobey either of those government's orders to stop doing something, they will send men with guns to…

You should read the Wikipedia article on what censorship is:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Censorship

"Censorship can be conducted by governments,[5] private institutions and other controlling bodies."

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by orwin » Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 6:33 AM UTC

Dan_Sylveste wrote: post #173

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In America it is legal to advocate for Nazism. This is legal and simultaneously a non-threat because our system of checks and balances prevents them from overthrowing the government. They are not denied their first amendment rights, and yet they're abject losers. The US government is simultaneously tolerant of them and not threatened by them. The supposed paradox of intolerance says that silencing people who would si…

We can see this so clearly on reddit. They have eliminated 100% of conservative voices from the platform, as a result it's become a haven for leftist extremists who now openly and repeatedly advocate for moving 'beyond electoralism,' the meaning of which is well understood.

I mean, I've read people arguing for 'Swiss democracy' and 'American ballots' (because you also vote on a restricted set of laws when electing state representatives) when they talk about going 'beyond electoralism', which to me id super fair. Can you explain what do you think it means?

Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by rippityrip » Tue, Aug 22, 2023, 5:05 PM UTC

jszymborski wrote: post #171

gedy wrote: post #168

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> Musk’s ... disdain for the LGBTQ community I'm not a Musk fan, but what are you referring to?

Musk is a transphobe. https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-...

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Re: Naomi Wu and the Silence That Speaks Volumes

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Post by heinternets » Fri, Aug 25, 2023, 4:23 AM UTC

bArray wrote: post #188

There is a large LGBT framing in the article on Naomi Wu's situation. I would rather hear from Naomi, it's entirely possible this is about her stance on COVID, Uyghur Muslims or something else entirely. > Despite her primarily Western audience, Wu has consistently encountered unfavorable treatment from Western media, often tinged with misogyny. Notably, a VICE Magazine reporter appeared to consider outing Wu without…

Naomi said to the interviewer it was in regards to her previously publicising the Sogou software security vulnerabilities in 2019:

"Five days after Tencent (Shenzhen) admits to the IME vulnerability, the Chinese person (in Shenzhen) who originally publicized it suddenly gets dragged in by the cops and forced offline."

"NONE of them could read English to see my account does not even make China look bad, it was all Baidu fucking translate and demands why I was talking about Signal and the keyboard"