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Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by brewdad »

HWR_14 wrote: post #223
Dalewyn wrote: post #216

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There's also drunk driving the crime and drunk driving the act. What I mean by this is that when people go out to eat lunch or dinner, they drive to the restaurant. They obviously need to drive back when they're done. They obviously also had some good drinks while they were there; beer, wine, the works. Even just a sip of alcohol will count as drunk driving, legally speaking. The police largely turn a blind eye to th…

In the US most states have a BAC requirement above 0.00 to be drunk driving (so "a sip" of alcohol doesn't qualify). Also the idea that no one should buy liquor at 10 pm or that it is strange to get drinks for someone's party is odd. Why would the liquor stores be open if no one needed liquor then? Your statement seems pretty judgmental. But yes, we agree don't drink and drive.

There are absolutely states where if the officer says you are impaired, you are going to jail. Even if you blow 0.00. Will you be convicted? Probably not but you’ll still get to deal with court costs and paying a few grand to a lawyer. Oh and you get to explain an arrest, that can never be expunged, for the rest of your life.

Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by haswell »

haliskerbas wrote: post #207
haswell wrote: post #183

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Depending on location, a bicycle is not a viable alternative. Driving is a condition of living if food is 30 minutes of driving into town. I’m am not advocating for lax DUI laws, but a driving ban is the equivalent of house arrest or forced relocation for some people/locations unless they have people who can help them with transportation. Moving to a city with public transit would provide the most autonomy, but would…

We have ruined people's lives in this country for selling a bit of weed, but we wouldn't want to disrupt someone's life too much if they drove drunk THREE times!

Ruining people’s lives over weed is arguably immoral and not justice. I see no connection between that and penalties for drunk driving, which are necessary.

The point is that while a person should lose their driving privileges for driving drunk, we should take seriously the implications of the typical punishment given our car dependent society, and the lack of public transit options in most places that aren’t big city centers.

The comment was a reaction to the flippant “just get a bike”, which is clearly not sufficient in many cases. Driving drunk is stupid, dangerous, and should involve serious penalties. We should not ruin people’s lives over it.

Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by haswell »

gambiting wrote: post #186
haswell wrote: post #183

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Depending on location, a bicycle is not a viable alternative. Driving is a condition of living if food is 30 minutes of driving into town. I’m am not advocating for lax DUI laws, but a driving ban is the equivalent of house arrest or forced relocation for some people/locations unless they have people who can help them with transportation. Moving to a city with public transit would provide the most autonomy, but would…

>>Depending on location, a bicycle is not a viable alternative. I understand. That doesn't change my stance on the matter.

> get a bicycle or something

So the suggestion was untenable from the start.

Driving drunk should be penalized, even harshly. But people should have a chance at rehabilitation.

In a car dependent society/region, a permanent ban without an opportunity for reform is cruel and unusual punishment.

If self driving cars were 100% here right now, or if we had better public transportation, I think it’d be a different story.

Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by brewdad »

refurb wrote: post #204
blamazon wrote: post #11

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In Mississippi, one of those two aforementioned states, it's perfectly legal to drink and drive (with an open container in your hand!) as long as you stay below 0.08 BAC. (Nit: it's legal at a state level but municipalities and counties are allowed to dictate more rules on drunk driving - most don't, but YMMV)

Except for the open container, most states allow you to legally drive with a BAC below a certain cutoff.

Not exactly. Most states, 0.08 or above is presumed guilty of DUI without any other impairment detected. You can still get a DUI with a BAC below 0.08 but it becomes a bit harder to convict since it becomes a function of the officer’s testimony and any physical tests administered before your arrest.

Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by HWR_14 »

ryandrake wrote: post #13
Scoundreller wrote: post #3

A relative had an immigrant colleague that was intrigued by different US license plates. One day their manager had one that had a new colour scheme that he never saw before. The intrigue overtook him and in a big group he had to ask how he got this new beautiful plate. And how could he get one themself? Turns out the state required you to “wear” this license plate after your third DUI or something. Oops. Edit: looks…

> Turns out the state required you to “wear” this license plate after your third DUI or something. This doesn't make much sense because the license plate is attached to the car, not the driver. Couldn't the manager just drive his wife's or friend's car or something? What purpose does the plate serve? "Warning everyone! A serial drink driver might be in this car, but might not be, and if he's in it he might be driving…

I think the state requires all the cars you are likely to drive to get whiskey plates. So it's possible the managers wife was the drunk driver.

Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by brewdad »

standardUser wrote: post #218
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #84

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"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction." 13A A. I guess I'm confused you ever thought it was dead. B. The license plate programs are optional, and as I understand it most work details are a desirable distraction from the all encompassing boredom of pr…

"Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime" Mince words all you want, the constitution doesn't and makes it very clear that there is an exception for slavery. Of course we could simply pay people for work, as is our custom, and end this depressing argument once and for all.

Well they are getting paid 13 cents an hour, so I guess they aren’t literally slaves.

Or something.

Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by Clent »

haswell wrote: post #233
gambiting wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Depending on location, a bicycle is not a viable alternative. I understand. That doesn't change my stance on the matter.

> get a bicycle or something So the suggestion was untenable from the start. Driving drunk should be penalized, even harshly. But people should have a chance at rehabilitation. In a car dependent society/region, a permanent ban without an opportunity for reform is cruel and unusual punishment. If self driving cars were 100% here right now, or if we had better public transportation, I think it’d be a different story.

What about my right not to be murdered by a habitual drunk driver?

Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by wpsimon3 »

Tangential story time on how I "accidentally" got out of numerous parking tickets that would have prevented me from graduating university.

I went to school in a state that required both rear and front license plates. My car, however, was registered in my home state...one that only required a rear license plate. So, I affixed a vanity plate to the front of my Jeep.

Our University also had some requirement that you pay all parking tickets in order to be eligible to walk at graduation.

Well I found out pretty quickly that the parking authority mainly only checked the front license plate when writing parking tickets. And as it turns out, I was fortunate enough to receive three (3) parking tickets my senior year, ALL ticketed against the front vanity plate (two for exceeding time limits, one for parking in reserved parking that ironically my actual plate granted me access to). They never recorded my actual, rear license plate. Never recorded my VIN. Just the front vanity plate.

Some 10+ years later, to this day, if anyone in North Carolina has a legitimate Colorado license plate with the tag "VAIL" on it...well, my bad...hope you aren't trying to graduate!

EDIT: turns out, NC does NOT require front plates...so maybe the parking authority people were just cutting me slack. Or lazy. Probably lazy. Either way, I appreciate it!

Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by Clent »

chungy wrote: post #224
gambiting wrote: post #180

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>>so removing one's ability to drive is a seriously major punishment. Being caught drunk driving 3(!!!) times is a seriously major crime. I'm a strong advocate for a complete driving ban after a single drunk driving episode, 3 is just crazy to me. I get the argument that in US that basically makes it impossible to get anywhere without a car but I don't know - get a bicycle or something, literally anything is preferab…

Being drunk on a bike is probably even more dangerous than drunk driving a car. Unfortunately, one doesn't need a license to use public roads with a bicycle.

More dangerous for whom?

Re: All of the vehicle license plates available in America

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Post by wpsimon3 »

Rebelgecko wrote: post #158
cratermoon wrote: post #69

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Also, with hundreds of legal variations, how can the police keep track of them all? Counterfeiting a plate wouldn't require a very exacting match, just close enough to fly under the radar.

I see fake plates on an almost daily basis IN California (for whatever reason the white on black look is pretty popular,and not just with the Reviver plates). Although fun fact - in California you can legally get a wrap of your license plate instead of having to physically affix one

The white on black is so popular that I've heard people inquire about it at the DMV and get upset when the person working there tells them it doesn't exist!

The Reviver "RPlate" is strange to me. I can't imagine paying that much myself. BUT, I can see a huge market if they're marketed toward lessors. I have to imagine I'm not the first to think of this, and maybe this is already out in the wild...but if someone missed payments and the car was to be repo'd, it'd be hilarious if the Reviver plate changed to "REPO ME" or something.

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